Reasons for Band Practice Cancellation, Part 2

[Gustopher]

Are we still going on about this? Those are all valid to miss practice. Get a new band if you don’t like it.

 

[turf3]

No offense, but I didn't tell you where I live.

This idea you just find people makes me chuckle.

Your profile says "London, Ont." which Wiki says is a city of 400,000, so hardly a little obscure hamlet in the outback somewhere.

 

[FryFunk]

Your profile says "London, Ont." which Wiki says is a city of 400,000, so hardly a little obscure hamlet in the outback somewhere.

I have a magical ability to move across country, don't tell anyone.

 

[fishdude101101]

Here's a tangent....am I odd or is the rest of the population experiencing a stomach bug epidemic? I'm 40 years old and I've probably had a stomach bug once, maybe twice. I've can only recall have an upset stomach (which to me means discomfort plus not being able to control certain other things) once as an adult. I've never had anything I eat upset my stomach to the point where it bothered me and I'm the "take it to 11" spicy food gyy. Am I abnormal or is "stomach bug" the go to excuse these days?

Oh I'd quit that band btw.

 

[Barticus]

From all of the recent threads about this situation, do you need more signs, signals and messages that it is time to move on?

I’d run as fast as I can and follow up with those other opportunities.

In my current band situation we love to get together weekly, if someone can’t get together for some good reason then the rest of us still try to get together and make it as productive as we can, and maybe turn it into a writing session or even just a jam session… mostly because we enjoy hanging out with each other.

 

[Bass Man Dan]

1 or 2, maybe even 3 of those within the given time frame are valid. In totality, this is BS excuse making for lack of interest/priority in the project.

 

[51PRI]

Are they still calling out sick, or are you the one that has to call them to find out where they are?...

Usually someone will send a group text "are we practicing tonight?" and then others responds. Recent responses, edited, are in post #1.

Any one of them seems perfectly reasonable. The question is what you think of the pattern.

It's a remarkable run of reasons.

exactly, it's not so much whether someone needs to cancel rehearsal for whatever reason... the problem is when it's frequent, then it's a problem and it'll probably indicates that person is not that invested....

That's the concern.

A dentist appointment? Like during the time you’d be rehearsing? Or just at some point during the day?

What time of day do you rehearse?

Frankly that’s some weak sauce right there.

That's what we thought. I doubt that any dentist sees patients in the evening, but maybe he was having something done that would still be hurting at practice. Not sure.

From all of the recent threads about this situation, do you need more signs, signals and messages that it is time to move on?....

Well, I am looking for other projects in addition to this one, but I would like to see these problems resolved,too.

 

[PennyroyalWe]

Maybe they all think it’s weird that you want to rehearse every week.

 

[FryFunk]

Here's a tangent....am I odd or is the rest of the population experiencing a stomach bug epidemic? I'm 40 years old and I've probably had a stomach bug once, maybe twice. I've can only recall have an upset stomach (which to me means discomfort plus not being able to control certain other things) once as an adult. I've never had anything I eat upset my stomach to the point where it bothered me and I'm the "take it to 11" spicy food gyy. Am I abnormal or is "stomach bug" the go to excuse these days?

Oh I'd quit that band btw.

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For starters there's this.

I guess it's no longer the good old days where people with mild health conditions don't stay at home.

There's an endless number of health conditions people are nowadays working with thanks to medications and the what nots.

In the good old days people would just keep these things to themselves, while outside would just accuse them of being lazy/flakey.

 

[51PRI]

Maybe they all think it’s weird that you want to rehearse every week.

I guess that's possible. Although the ALL say they want to practice.

 

[gln1955]

I guess that's possible. Although the ALL say they want to practice.

One thing one of my former bands did to get a weekly practice was schedule two days when everyone said they could make it. If the earlier day bombed out due to whatever, we'd fall back to the second day. This usually worked.

 

[Robert B]

...and all the houses. Sorry, jealous/college educated/invested in myself millennial here . Buying gear fills my equity hole

Just be patient. We Boomers are dying out, and soon all those houses will be available.

 

[FryFunk]

Just be patient. We Boomers are dying out, and soon all those houses will be available.

This deserves a "ok boomer" statement. I have no ill will towards boomer in general, but when they pretend the economic planet they grew up on has any similarities to my own my eyes twitch.

I like being a millenial, I don't miss the house-car lifestyle, I dreaded the thought of turning into a suburbanite in my youth.

I'm quite happy economic circumstances have prevented me from taking up that lifestyle. I enjoy the living in condo's/inner city environment. It was where I was meant to be.

But make no mistake if you're in a place like Canada there's zero chance owning a detached home will be viable for most millennials, unless they're cool with taking on a mountain of debt, in an environment where machine learning automation can replace any employment sector over night.

There's a reason electronic music etc has completely replaced rock.

 

[Robert B]

This deserves a "ok boomer" statement. I have no ill will towards boomer in general, but when they pretend the economic planet they grew up on has any similarities to my own my eyes twitch.

I like being a millenial, I don't miss the house-car lifestyle, I dreaded the thought of turning into a suburbanite in my youth.

I'm quite happy economic circumstances have prevented me from taking up that lifestyle.

But make no mistake if you're in a place like Canada there's zero chance owning a detached home will be viable for most millennials, unless they're cool with taking on a mountain of debt, in an environment where machine learning automation can replace any employment sector over night.

It's not necessarily land prices that are gonna make homes completely unaffordable, but shortages in oil/timbre etc.

Ok. Well, if you're determined to be negative about your future prospects, I won't argue with you.

 

[FryFunk]

Ok. Well, if you're determined to be negative about your future prospects, I won't argue with you.

But this is the thing, you're the one being negative about my lifestyle, which is the only reason I'd dare even suggesting a line like "ok boomer".

People in my peer group tell you we can't afford a detached home nor a car, and are happy to live in condo's/downtown.

You tell us we're being negative/complaining, when to us it's just tuesday.

The implication(likely not implied by you) is that we're just sitting around crying in our cereal, when in reality we have all kinds of things going.

 

[Robert B]

But this is the thing, you're the one being negative about my lifestyle, which is the only reason I'd dare even suggesting a line like "ok boomer".

People in my peer group tell you we can't afford a detached home nor a car, and are happy to live in condo's/downtown.

You tell us we're being negative/complaining, when to us it's just tuesday.

Well, when I was in my twenties, interest rates were in the 15%'s and up - owning my own home was out of reach. Also when young, I lived in very dodgy apartments with roommates. Trust me - you would not want to live in some of the places I rented. Owning a home seemed completely beyond my capabilities. All that changed though, as I looked at the things needed to own a home and worked toward that goal.
And you know that eventually all the homes owned by boomers will pass into the hands of your generation. Why shouldn't you be one of them? You're just as capable as all those other folks buying homes. Just save whatever you can with the goal of buying your own home, and you'll be ready when things shift. If you're not making enough money to save, then maybe you should consider rethinking your career choices.
Of course, I can't really speak to Canada, but here in the US I've seen interest rates at floor-bottom twice in the last 10 years or so. That's when it's time to buy. And a cursory glance at historical interest rates in Canada run even lower than in the US. And, I suspect Canada probably has a program to assist low-income, first-time buyers as well.
Having said that, there are many people who rent their whole lives, so that is a viable choice if you prefer it.

 

[E2942]

Those are all valid to miss practice.

Miss practice all you like, but when you turn up to rehearsal, be prepared.

 

[Gustopher]

Miss practice all you like, but when you turn up to rehearsal, be prepared.

I think we are using practice and rehearsal interchangeably in this thread, but yes just be prepared. A small covers band that plays bars and legion halls doesn’t need to rehearse very often.

 

[FryFunk]

Well, when I was in my twenties, interest rates were in the 15%'s and up - owning my own home was out of reach.

Which is exactly why it was so easy. High interest rates kept developers/corporations from buying up housing in mass.

The beauty of high interests is that there's actually some economic benefit to being frugal and having an actual savings account.

When interests are at 0% for decades at a time you're a fool to save money. The people in my generation who have any amount of equity have done so by playing real estate roulette.

You buy a home you can't afford to keep, with the hope sky rocketing real estate prices will bail you out of financial mismanagement.

My parents had good incomes and saved a ton, my uncle was an idiot who remortgage his home endlessly, and he's now a millionaire and my parents are seeing their retirement savings evaporate thanks to inflation.

Also when young, I lived in very dodgy apartments with roommates. Trust me - you would not want to live in some of the places I rented. Owning a home seemed completely beyond my capabilities. All that changed though, as I looked at the things needed to own a home and worked toward that goal.

I'm 35.

And you know that eventually all the homes owned by boomers will pass into the hands of your generation. Why shouldn't you be one of them? You're just as capable as all those other folks buying homes.

EDIT: Full disclosure I actually own a relatively massive chunk of family land. My brother gets the house, I get the cottage +5 acres. He probably is getting the better side of the deal, but he needs my folks to pass for him to get anything, while I could start building on the land now. The downside is the land is basically in an Alaska styled forest. If I'm happy with solar and want to live off grid it's paradise, but it isn't a practical place to raise a family/work. Point is it's a unique circumstance, which doesn't really have anything to do with my day to day life or that of my peers.



4 reasons

a) Population is increasing, these single family 3 bedroom homes will end up being occupied by multiple families.

b) We're a lost generation. The 2008 financial crisis and now covid has meant we've lost decades+ of career/skills development. Even people with engineering degrees have gotten stuck in entry level positions that use to be occupied by technicians.

A 35 year old is now competing with 20 year olds for the same positions. Difference is their age gives them a substantial cognitive advantage. In the olden days a 50 year old competed with a 20 year old with experience. Thanks to the wonders of modern technology a 50 year old knowing a programming language from the 1990s is soon to be useless. We're inexperienced and we're entering into an era where being able to think fast is a requirement not a benefit. Even if we end up with equal jobs, they can take on 30 year or even 40 year mortgages, while I'm still struggling with the prospect of committing to a 20 year mortgage.

c) Corporations have started investing wealth into housing. Even people like Bill Gates have been buying up land in mass. For the first time in over a century land is becoming a main form of holding wealth. This only gets worst as technological instability means investors need a safe place to park their money.

d) Environmental concerns and declining oil reserves means car ownership, and land regulation are becoming the norm. Not only is all of the above happening, but we're moving into an era of engineered and naturally occurring scarcity. Fertilizers for food, home eating or energies to produce electric cars is running out. On the flip side property developers/real estate owners have been coordinating efforts with environmentalist. There's a massive push towards green zoning lands, so they are dedicated wild life reserves/dedicated farm lands. This has meant places like Toronto now have a 50 km thick 200km long ring of lands that can't be developed.

Just save whatever you can with the goal of buying your own home, and you'll be ready when things shift. If you're not making enough money to save, then maybe you should consider rethinking your career choices.

"rethinking my career choices" I'm 35.

Of course, I can't really speak to Canada, but here in the US I've seen interest rates at floor-bottom twice in the last 10 years or so. That's when it's time to buy. And a cursory glance at historical interest rates in Canada run even lower than in the US.

No offense but "bahahahahahhahahahahahhahahha". Homes that went for 350k in 2016 are now pricing upwards of 700k. And these are basically what use to be called starter homes. And I'm not talking about Toronto, I'm talking about rust belt/methtown London.

Having said that, there are many people who rent their whole lives, so that is a viable choice if you prefer it.

Well this is sort of the point, I've run through the calculations endlessly.

I've accepted/embraced/loved my fate since as early as 2011.

I'm not mad I can't afford a house/car. I'm mad boomers keep pushing a narrative we'll grow out of digitally our fixated lives and mature.

I like my lifestyle, the difference between me and my parents, is the difference between my grandparents and my great grand parents. They left the family farm and moved to the city. Their parents were disappointed etc. My grand parents were happy to have running water etc.

While home ownership is a fantasy, we have the wonders of modern technology. I can have a recording studio, virtual reality setup, and home theatre all in my living room at a very minor cost. And it'll probably continue to get better and better. I now work from home, I literally am jamming on my electric kit on my lunch breaks. And I'm not alone. I can literally walk to the other end of my building and find a bengali sitar player with ease. The modern age is pretty marvelous depending on what you value.

 

[gln1955]

Which is exactly why it was so easy. High interest rates kept developers/corporations from buying up housing in mass.

The beauty of high interests is that there's actually some economic benefit to being frugal and having an actual savings account.

When interests are at 0% for decades at a time you're a fool to save money. The people in my generation who have any amount of equity have done so by playing real estate roulette.

You buy a home you can't afford to keep, with the hope sky rocketing real estate prices will bail you out of financial mismanagement.

My parents had good incomes and saved a ton, my uncle was an idiot who remortgage his home endlessly, and he's now a millionaire and my parents are seeing their retirement savings evaporate thanks to inflation.






I'm 35.



4 reasons

a) Population is increasing, these single family 3 bedroom homes will end up being occupied by multiple families.

b) We're a lost generation. The 2008 financial crisis and now covid has meant we've lost decades+ of career/skills development. Even people with engineering degrees have gotten stuck in entry level positions that use to be occupied by technicians.

A 35 year old is now competing with 20 year olds for the same positions. Difference is their age gives them a substantial cognitive advantage. In the olden days a 50 year old competed with a 20 year old with experience. Thanks to the wonders of modern technology a 50 year old knowing a programming language from the 1990s is soon to be useless. We're inexperienced and we're entering into an era where being able to think fast is a requirement not a benefit. Even if we end up with equal jobs, they can take on 30 year or even 40 year mortgages, while I'm still struggling with the prospect of committing to a 20 year mortgage.

c) Corporations have started investing wealth into housing. Even people like Bill Gates have been buying up land in mass. For the first time in over a century land is becoming a main form of holding wealth. This only gets worst as technological instability means investors need a safe place to park their money.

d) Environmental concerns and declining oil reserves means car ownership, and land regulation are becoming the norm. Not only is all of the above happening, but we're moving into an era of engineered and naturally occurring scarcity. Fertilizers for food, home eating or energies to produce electric cars is running out.






"rethinking my career choices" I'm 35.




No offense but "bahahahahahhahahahahahhahahha". Homes that went for 350k in 2016 are now pricing upwards of 700k. And these are basically what use to be called starter homes. And I'm not talking about Toronto, I'm talking about rust belt/methtown London.




Well this is sort of the point, I've run through the calculations endlessly.

I've accepted/embraced/loved my fate since as early as 2011.

I'm not mad I can't afford a house/car. I'm mad boomers think I'll grow out of my mopey phase and grow up.

I like my lifestyle, the difference between me and my parents, is the difference between my grandparents and my great grand parents. They left the family farm and moved to the city. Their parents were disappointed etc. My grand parents were happy to have running water etc.

While home ownership is a fantasy, we have the wonders of modern technology. I can have a recording studio, virtual reality setup, and home theatre all in my living room at a very minor cost. And it'll probably continue to get better and better. I now work from home, I literally am jamming on my electric kit on my lunch breaks. And I'm not alone. I can literally walk to the other end of my building and find a bengali sitar player with ease. The modern age is pretty marvelous depending on what you value.

Yet, I see many, many people of your age with good jobs, houses and cars. Spare me the "My generation got screwed" baloney.