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Reasons for Band Practice Cancellation, Part 2

Yet, I see many, many people of your age with good jobs, houses and cars. Spare me the "My generation got screwed" baloney.
First off, I'm not interested in what you see. I'm interested in opinions that are based on actual scientifically collected data.

Yes the wealth gap in my generation is massive. Something like 20% do well, the other 80% do poorly.

You're also saying "with good houses and cars". As if it isn't typically financed via debt for the majority. If you're cool with being financially irresponsible you can do ok, or atleast you can appear to for some time.


Look if you're a high end engineer or a medical specialist, you can gloat all you want. But if you have anything less than a masters degree, get over yourself.

This isn't like an opinion the data is well studied and well collected.

I have engineer friends making 160 k a year and engineer friends scrambling to make 50 k a year. It's not necessarily random, but if you missed the boat there's little chance of catching up.

Regardless you're trying to push the discussion away from the point.

The car free-home free lifestyles has its perks.
 
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Which is exactly why it was so easy. High interest rates kept developers/corporations from buying up housing in mass.

The beauty of high interests is that there's actually some economic benefit to being frugal and having an actual savings account.

When interests are at 0% for decades at a time you're a fool to save money. The people in my generation who have any amount of equity have done so by playing real estate roulette.

You buy a home you can't afford to keep, with the hope sky rocketing real estate prices will bail you out of financial mismanagement.

My parents had good incomes and saved a ton, my uncle was an idiot who remortgage his home endlessly, and he's now a millionaire and my parents are seeing their retirement savings evaporate thanks to inflation.






I'm 35.



EDIT: Full disclosure I actually own a relatively massive chunk of family land. My brother gets the house, I get the cottage +5 acres. He probably is getting the better side of the deal, but he needs my folks to pass for him to get anything, while I could start building on the land now. The downside is the land is basically in an Alaska styled forest. If I'm happy with solar and want to live off grid it's paradise, but it isn't a practical place to raise a family/work. Point is it's a unique circumstance, which doesn't really have anything to do with my day to day life or that of my peers.



4 reasons

a) Population is increasing, these single family 3 bedroom homes will end up being occupied by multiple families.

b) We're a lost generation. The 2008 financial crisis and now covid has meant we've lost decades+ of career/skills development. Even people with engineering degrees have gotten stuck in entry level positions that use to be occupied by technicians.

A 35 year old is now competing with 20 year olds for the same positions. Difference is their age gives them a substantial cognitive advantage. In the olden days a 50 year old competed with a 20 year old with experience. Thanks to the wonders of modern technology a 50 year old knowing a programming language from the 1990s is soon to be useless. We're inexperienced and we're entering into an era where being able to think fast is a requirement not a benefit. Even if we end up with equal jobs, they can take on 30 year or even 40 year mortgages, while I'm still struggling with the prospect of committing to a 20 year mortgage.

c) Corporations have started investing wealth into housing. Even people like Bill Gates have been buying up land in mass. For the first time in over a century land is becoming a main form of holding wealth. This only gets worst as technological instability means investors need a safe place to park their money.

d) Environmental concerns and declining oil reserves means car ownership, and land regulation are becoming the norm. Not only is all of the above happening, but we're moving into an era of engineered and naturally occurring scarcity. Fertilizers for food, home eating or energies to produce electric cars is running out. On the flip side property developers/real estate owners have been coordinating efforts with environmentalist. There's a massive push towards green zoning lands, so they are dedicated wild life reserves/dedicated farm lands. This has meant places like Toronto now have a 50 km thick 200km long ring of lands that can't be developed.






"rethinking my career choices" I'm 35.




No offense but "bahahahahahhahahahahahhahahha". Homes that went for 350k in 2016 are now pricing upwards of 700k. And these are basically what use to be called starter homes. And I'm not talking about Toronto, I'm talking about rust belt/methtown London.




Well this is sort of the point, I've run through the calculations endlessly.

I've accepted/embraced/loved my fate since as early as 2011.

I'm not mad I can't afford a house/car. I'm mad boomers keep pushing a narrative we'll grow out of digitally our fixated lives and mature.

I like my lifestyle, the difference between me and my parents, is the difference between my grandparents and my great grand parents. They left the family farm and moved to the city. Their parents were disappointed etc. My grand parents were happy to have running water etc.

While home ownership is a fantasy, we have the wonders of modern technology. I can have a recording studio, virtual reality setup, and home theatre all in my living room at a very minor cost. And it'll probably continue to get better and better. I now work from home, I literally am jamming on my electric kit on my lunch breaks. And I'm not alone. I can literally walk to the other end of my building and find a bengali sitar player with ease. The modern age is pretty marvelous depending on what you value.
I'm sorry you feel so defeated in terms of home ownership. Sincere best wishes for your future endeavors.
 
...I like being a millenial, I don't miss the house-car lifestyle, I dreaded the thought of turning into a suburbanite in my youth.

I'm quite happy economic circumstances have prevented me from taking up that lifestyle. I enjoy the living in condo's/inner city environment. It was where I was meant to be.....
I was the same way. As a Boomer I was horrified to be a part of the general population. The song "Little Boxes" scared me to death.

But...you still need a place to live, and a way to make money, and a plan for your older future when you may not be able to do everything you want to to, so...the smart thing is to plan it in a way that is sensible for you, doable, and comfortable, and sustainable. We don't stay 27 years old forever. Unfortunately.
 

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I'm technically a baby-boomer, I suppose: (1954 is in that sector, I believe.)

I have no degrees that would interest anyone: six years of post secondary education, four of which I paid for by working as a janitor, the last of which I worked as a welder, at bottom-end wages. We married 41 years ago. I lost my welding job to a crash in the economy, a month after we were wed. I worked minimum wage jobs to keep us fed, while searching for something better. I eventually ended up welding again, still at very low wages.

We lived in a single-wide trailer, for the first three or four years we were married, not because we wanted to, but because that was what we could afford. We had chosen to avoid debt, and the real estate interest rates were right at 12%, at that time. We had decided that we simply would not be able to afford a house, and were planning to heavily modify the trailer, simply because we owned it and could afford the remodel, provided I did all the work. (Modifying single-wide trailers is an exercise in "pouring good money after bad," for the most part, but we didn't seem to have any options.)

About that time, my mother-in-law (bless her!) spotted a genuine "Fixer-upper" which we could afford. For $19.5K. (Yeah, it wasn't much...) So we bought it and moved in. Through Ann's parents, we managed a "secured loan" which had a much lower rate (8% as I recall) and we paid off that little house in eight years, while living in it and heavily remodeling it. I put as additional $50,000 in materials and 14 years of work into it.

Meanwhile, we homeschooled our children, which was frowned upon at the time (still is today, I guess) and quite costly. They grew up, far advanced in schooling, and partway through, my mom died; so we sold the first house, and got enough for a downpayment on her home, which we bought from the estate. The kids finished growing up, all went to college, and left. (That house was paid off in ten years.)

The eldest child has consistently earned about three times what I made in my best years, working as some sort of computer wizard. (Hardware, not software...and I do not understand his work!)

Second child earned a doctorate, is debt-free, and lives in Switzerland...making more than double my best years..and I can't say what the job is...it has to do with project management, and documentation of cutting-edge medical machinery. I honestly only barely understand it when it is explained to me.

Youngest became a luthier. Doing ok, financially, but most importantly, he followed his passion for creativity, and is happy in his work.

I really don't feel that I had any special "privileges:" I worked at the lowest sort of jobs to pay for what little education I managed to accrue (from low-cost schools.) I had no student loans...We paid our way, every step of the way, and have been debt-free for ages.

I realize that prices have gone to incredible levels, but, in many cases, so have wages. Had I stayed with the only skills I possessed, fifty years ago, I would still be living in a single-wide trailer, or something comparable. But I kept pushing for higher skills, higher credentials and a better life for my family. That also meant I did not "party," I did not buy myself "toys," and we did not go on vacations, as a rule. The only boat I ever had, I built from scratch, hoping to "start a business." But, I had nowhere to store it, and it rotted to pieces in a few years. That was a bitter loss. (Now I build violin-family instruments. They don't sit out in the rain.)

What is the point of all this rambling? I guess only to say that I believe the opportunities are still there, but they just don't look the same. Different skills are needed, today, for instance.

But I don't believe that it is appropriate to blame a previous generation for the realities we face today, nor is it appropriate to project my goals, values, or lifestyle on my kids.

None of them share my lifestyle. And all of them had a better start than I did. That was our goal.
 
If this band is rehashing the same material you've been playing for 18 years then why are you trying to rehearse? I rehearse to polish up new repertoire, not to go over old stale stuff.

I only assume/guess this based on some of the comments you've made before, so I might not be reading this correctly, but it sounds like a situation where nobody's really that interested in getting together because there's not much percentage left in it. I would not be wanting to put a lot of additional time into going over repertoire I already know. These guys have also been resistant to new material, so that's telling. They're not all that into this anymore.

Some of those are legit reasons but some may or may not be excuses. Ribs hurting for three weeks after a fall might just be something you got away with legitimately once so it's a viable excuse for a couple more weeks. Weather may or may not have been all that bad. Hard for me to know. But the fact that one person or another always seems to want to bail is concerning.
 
But I don't believe that it is appropriate to blame a previous generation for the realities we face today, nor is it appropriate to project my goals, values, or lifestyle on my kids.
I always find it laughable that some folks ascribe to the "boomer" generation what the parents of that generation actually had. It was my parents' generation that had the opportunity to feed a family of four on one income. It was my parents' generation that lived the "Leave it to Beaver" lifestyle where homes were affordable and <fill in the blank with whatever "they had it easy" fantasy you're pulling randomly out of old movies without looking at the dates>.

As you so aptly described, our generation had it much harder - ours was probably the first generation where a majority of people moved further from financial security than their parents' generation was.

I don't really get the rivalry between generations. I do get that some folks don't seem to understand that what was doable in 1970 isn't doable today.
 
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Just for fun, here are the reasons that our band practice has been cancelled for the past two months (five piece band numbered 1-5):
Date Band Member who cancelled Reason
23-Mar #2 Under the gun at work
#4 Computer got hacked
30-Mar #1 Storms are going to get violent
6-Apr #2 Had throat scoped
13-Apr #1 Weather getting ugly and
another door jamb encounter
20-Apr #1 Ribs still sore
27-Apr #1 Ribs still sore
People coming over to do work at the house
4-May #2 Wife has stomach bug
Feels it coming on on him, too
11-May #2 Had cancer spots removed from face
18-May #4 Had to go to dentist
25-May #1 Lots of things to do before holiday weekend
#4 Possible covid
31-May #4 Dog got hit and killed

First off, it's weird that you've kept up with the dates and excuses. Do you literally have this in a calendar somewhere?
 
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For starters there's this.

I guess it's no longer the good old days where people with mild health conditions don't stay at home.

There's an endless number of health conditions people are nowadays working with thanks to medications and the what nots.

In the good old days people would just keep these things to themselves, while outside would just accuse them of being lazy/flakey.

For starters....chill out. Also I still refuse to believe that so many people have upset stomachs. I swear I here somebody complain about it everyday. I'm sure some of it is real, but yes I do think there are alot of flakey people out there without the guts to own up to why they are canceling. Had to go to the dentist? In most cases you know of that in advance, so don't schedule a rehearsal that day.

If I had such a condition that made me cancel rehearsal so much I'd quit in order to respect other people's time. If I agree to rehearse, do a gig, or whatever I've put something else off to do it. Nothing more disrespectful to me than to waste my time. I have absolutely quit bands where this was a problem. I've also put my foot down and told one group they better find a sub because I wasn't doing a gig without a rehearsal.
 
We honestly don't have enough details regarding each excuse to judge.

Take, for instance, the dentist appointment.

If someone simply got their annual screening and cleaning amd canceled rehearsal, they're "just not that into you". They're ready to quit and just don't want to tell you.

However, if someone had an emergency extraction due to excruciating pain, well, that's a good excuse. They will be in pain and/or on pain meds. That's a completely legit excuse.

There are all sorts of levels in between....some more legit than others. But just "dentist appointment" doesn't tell the whole story.
 
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You're also saying "with good houses and cars". As if it isn't typically financed via debt for the majority. If you're cool with being financially irresponsible you can do ok, or atleast you can appear to for some time.
Do you actually believe people in their 50's and 60's were able to buy their homes and cars with cash?
 
There are all sorts of levels in between....some more legit than others. But just "dentist appointment" doesn't tell the whole story.
Right, and it's also telling whether that dentist appointment was made before or after rehearsal was scheduled.

If before, you really shouldn't have scheduled the rehearsal at all. If after, or if that's your regular day and you knew rehearsal was supposed to be that day, I'm going to guess that the dentist probably also had appointments on other days you could have chosen. But you chose rehearsal day.

Emergency situations? All bets are off. But if someone would actually prioritize going to the dentist for routine care over rehearsal, that's rather telling. Nobody loves the dentist that much.
 
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You're also saying "with good houses and cars". As if it isn't typically financed via debt for the majority. If you're cool with being financially irresponsible you can do ok, or atleast you can appear to for some time.

If you believe having a home mortgage or car loan is irresponsible, you are totally clueless about how the world works.
 
One of my engrs was buying his first house.
He wanted 4 bed detached as his starter and in a higher value town.
I think he needed to pay $650k. He wouldnt scale down his expectations and as far as I know, he got what he wanted.
Many of the guys have 30 plus year mortgages.
At least they will be assett rich if cash poor by the time they are 50..if they pay off early...as I constantly tell them to do.
There is no doubt in my mind they have great opportunities but as for all of us, they will have challeges too.
Btw, a nice car is high on their list.
IME.
 
Well, I am looking for other projects in addition to this one, but I would like to see these problems resolved,too.
Why?

You've posted a few times about these issues, and nothing is improving. How do you propose to "resolve" the issues? What have you done so far? Are they screwing up left and right at gigs? Do they even perceive this as a problem? Are you the BL?

Or perhaps it is time to...

 
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I have never bought a car on credit...but that has a great deal to do with why I drive a 25-year-old car with 300k+ miles. Just choices people make.

And I think that's really where some of the differences are.....mentality.

My mother and father were married in 1968. They lived in a tiny duplex apartment. They had two folding lawn chairs and a small table as furniture. (For the first few weeks they even slept in those chairs until they got a mattress, and, eventually, a bed frame.)

They had one car my father had bought by saving most of his pay while deployed in Vietnam.

Several times over the next year or so they had to borrow money from family members to make ends meet.

Mom often skipped meals to make sure there was enough food in the house for dinner. She walked to the grocery store if my father was still at work.

Today, kids in their twenties have the latest iPhone, closets full of clothes, electronic gadgets, TVs with either cable or a dozen streaming services, nice cars, etc. And then they complain that it's "impossible to survive" and buy a house in the economy "older people left us".

My parents bought a house in 1971. They were able to do that by sacrificing like crazy for 2 1/2 years. (By the way, my brother was born in 69 and I was born right before they bought the house in 71.)

Things weren't one bit easier back then. My parents' generation had the guts to make sacrifices and pound it out day in and day out without worrying about how "unfair" it was that others had "more" or had is "easier". They did what they had to do to make a better life

I have a hard time feeling sorry for a young person posting about how hard things are right now on their iPhone 784 XL with a $6.00 Sterbucks coffee in their hand wearing $120 sneakers in their $40K car they're making $450 car payments on moments after streaming movie on their 72" TV sitting on their new sofa. "There's no way people our age can buy a house!!!!!!" they scream.

Choices were made.

/rant