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Red Flags For Bass Players Looking for Work

I agree with bluewine. Sounds like most ads on CL. 90 percent are guys
who have never gigged and probably never will. it's hard to get out of the garage,
but if you are a player you will not find work on CL. You will find it by hanging in
bars & getting to know working musicians and getting your name around.
It has been the same way for 25 years for me.
 
Agreed with Steve. At this point in my life (45 years old) and my musical journey (31 years playing), I am really not interested in starting anything up from scratch. All the drama with finding compatible players, getting a P.A., coming up with a name, putting a songlist together, pounding the bricks for gigs... no thanks on that, I'll pass.

I basically want to step into something that's already established, with all the pieces in place (P.A., bookings, etc.), strong leadership within the band and a high degree of professionalism and commitment but not toxic obsession (I do have a day job and a family so the band can't be my whole life).

My personality is that of a "support person" and a catalyst... the guy that comes into a good band and makes them even better. Put me in that situation and I'm happy as a clam.

I hope some these guys read your post, it makes perfect sense.
 
I agree with bluewine. Sounds like most ads on CL. 90 percent are guys
who have never gigged and probably never will. it's hard to get out of the garage,
but if you are a player you will not find work on CL. You will find it by hanging in
bars & getting to know working musicians and getting your name around.
It has been the same way for 25 years for me.


Yeah, there are a lot of wanabees out there and it's sad. Guys that might have been in some sort of band and did a few gigs think they can just start a band. it doesn't work that way.
 
What does your "Bassist looking for work" ad look like?

I'm just asking because I might be looking myself here shortly. Is it worth it to put together a My Space or Facebook with Bio, photos, sound clips ect?.

Yes, if your looking for a god established band that is working with good paying gigs.

Now, if your looking for anything including start ups I would say not so much.
 
I disagree, 1st of all is "sucking" is not fun.It is about fun, but a good band has to work hard, get good at all the important bench marks then you can have fun.

Gigging 2 xs a month is not good enough for someone trying to make a living.

On todays music, your just wrong end of discussion.

The 38 year old is a start up , guys looking for work want to get off the ground running, they are not looking for a start up that won't ever see it's first gig.



I think you might have missed this part of my thread;

This is just a list of wording in ads that any seasoned bass player looking for work (the kind that pays) should look at carefully.

These offers will be good for some guys but not guys leaving a paying opportunnity looking to join a working band;

Apparently you missed part of my post. I stated that 2 times per month is fine for someone working full time. Your post says nothing about trying to make a living in music.

I also stated that a lot of today's music is crap. I didn't say all.

Nothing wrong with a 38 year old starting a new band.

Apparently, you only want people to respond if they agree with you.
 
This is just a list of wording in ads that any seasoned bass player looking for work (the kind that pays) should look at carefully.

These offers will be good for some guys but not guys leaving a paying opportunnity looking to join a working band;

We have an all original start-up rock band with a jam spot in Washington. Not really looking to tour, make it, or anything like that, just to have fun & play out in the area

This is great for guys only interested in fun.

We're about 3/4 done writing our basic set.

Not where I would want to join a band.

Newly formed CLASSIC ROCK project seeking a DEDICATED Bassist with Vocal ability. Practice once a week and looking to gig twice a month.

Looking to gig twice a month?

Forming trio hard rock band. all originals some covers from 60s,70s,80s, or 90s.None of todays crap.

Todays crap, there is some really cool music being made by all sorts of bands?

We are a band of dedicated and driven musicians creating an Eagles Tribute Group

I think anyone with the resources or chops to do Eagles material live would not be starting a tribute band.

This project is gonna be cool/fun. We have a guitarist, female vocalist, drummer, two additional members which will provide horns,keys,

Really?

Looking for a bass player that is serious about getting together and playing out. We are a band that has posted in the past and gotten terrible results

Probably for good reason.

I'm a 38 year old guitar player putting together a powerful,talented 4 piece Metal/Hard rock band

Comments

I realize I am a little harsh and pesimistic.

There are probably several bass players here who would love to find a band with some of those attributes that you are dissing.
 
There are probably several bass players here who would love to find a band with some of those attributes that you are dissing.


There are, however not guys that depend on music for a living. I don't think you read the begining of my thread.

If you had 30 plus years of solid gigging and good pay and this was your only source of income I am sure looking for a start up would be at the top of your list.
 
Apparently you missed part of my post. I stated that 2 times per month is fine for someone working full time. Your post says nothing about trying to make a living in music.

I also stated that a lot of today's music is crap. I didn't say all.

Nothing wrong with a 38 year old starting a new band.

Apparently, you only want people to respond if they agree with you.

You know, if you keep poking BW, he *will* respond... :D
 
You know, if you keep poking BW, he *will* respond... :D

Ok, he makes a smal point.There is a big picture here and I am not sure he understands what I'm getting at.

Of course there is nothing wrong with a 38 year old starting a band.Or a 48, 58, 68 or 78 year old.

But does a seasoned, acomplished bass player who does this for living want to join that 38 years guys start up band?

I do like it when people agree with me and some have.
 
Out of curiosity, was there ever a time in the last decade where you had to make a living solely by playing music? Or ever at all?

If you had 30 plus years of solid gigging and good pay and this was your only source of income I am sure looking for a start up would be at the top of your list.
Lots of them won't but some will. There is a vibrant life outside of Craigslist, and there are start-up bands that consist of experienced and talented players. Why would they join a start up?
- Thinks the project has lots of potential.
- Likes the people he/she gets to play with
- Artistic freedom and love of the material
- An opportunity for ownership, as opposed to being a sideman
I've had a chance to work with some really talented players in startups, and even though they didn't necessarily go anywhere, I had future opportunities to work with them that did.

This is just a list of wording in ads that any seasoned bass player looking for work (the kind that pays) should look at carefully.

Most seasoned players have been around the block for a while, and usually already know what they are looking for.

These offers will be good for some guys but not guys leaving a paying opportunnity looking to join a working band;

Things have changed, man. The cost of living has gotten higher, and the pay for bands haven't. You have to be creative to eek out a modest living. If $100 man is decent pay for a gig, and $40K is a decent salary, you'd have to do 400 gigs a year to make that. It's very difficult to do that with one band doing bar gigs. Especially, when there are almost no places that do paid music more than 3 nights a week.

So if a band is only down for gigging 2x a month, then there's no reason to not fill the gig calendar 2x a month with that band and then fill up my calendar with other gigs from other acts. If a full gig calendar is what I'm seeking, I'll at least check into something before writing it off, because you won't always know what the front door to a great opportunity is going to look like. If there is any place where you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover is music.

As others said, tribute acts can pay well, and once you get the material down, it doesn't take as much practice, so in the long run, it can be a great investment of time. Rock bands with middle-aged and older members can still play weddings and corporates, which pay well. Acoustic gigs seem to be getting popular, so even if one of the bands you check out fails, as long as you get one person out of it that you can gel and jam with, you can play gigs, and possibly make even more per man. If you can get up to $200 a gig, you only need to play 200 of them to make a decent living.;) And there's other places for gigs that pay, and one of those losers could be a contact for a church that needs to fill a paid position, or an event planner that regularly books bands. A seasoned pro I respected told me that to check out as many opportunities as you can, because you never know which one will pan out until you actually check it out and try it. At worst, you can make a contact.

And if you're tired of playing Mustang Sally, and butchering another version of Don't Stop Believing, you can join in on an original project or some esoteric genre just for your own fun. I had one of the top sax players in town play with me for a while on a start up Jazz project just because I was willing to play Bop. The project did one gig and fizzled, but we still keep in touch.
 
I'll tell you one I've run into three times in the past two years:

Bass player wanted: Funk dance band wants bassist with chops to jump into gigging band... etc

You ask for the audition set list... and there are two funk songs out of ten tunes.

Turns out they need a *good* bassist for those few real funk songs, but they mostly play old top 40 that any knucklehead can play in his sleep... So take the gig and be 80% bored...


The last band I auditioned for ran a similar ad to this, so I was highly skeptical - but it turns out they are 100% funk / R&B so I'm pretty happy now - just about every tune is a bit challenging. No Skynard *or* Tom Petty! Woo hoo!

PLEASE tell me that was the "audition" with the skody sax player and his skipping CD player :p pretty pretty please with cherries. More red flags than Kremlin square.
 
hey, Blue, with all your experience why don't you put together your own band? Then you can quit worrying about all the auditioning stuff. I'm not being sarcastic or facetious here. I'm serious.

  • I am the most unorganized person I know
  • Awful at directing people
  • No leadership skills,I can recognize it in others but I don't have it.
  • It would be too much work.While I have been playing for a long tme, my experience is limited.
  • I'm already in a band that would be my band if I had the skill to put together a band. We are going to be The Next big Thing On Mars


I don't think either of us are right or wrong, just different.I would be unhappy in his world as he would be in mine.
 
Out of curiosity, was there ever a time in the last decade where you had to make a living solely by playing music? Or ever at all?


Lots of them won't but some will. There is a vibrant life outside of Craigslist, and there are start-up bands that consist of experienced and talented players. Why would they join a start up?
- Thinks the project has lots of potential.
- Likes the people he/she gets to play with
- Artistic freedom and love of the material
- An opportunity for ownership, as opposed to being a sideman
I've had a chance to work with some really talented players in startups, and even though they didn't necessarily go anywhere, I had future opportunities to work with them that did.


Most seasoned players have been around the block for a while, and usually already know what they are looking for.



Things have changed, man. The cost of living has gotten higher, and the pay for bands haven't. You have to be creative to eek out a modest living. If $100 man is decent pay for a gig, and $40K is a decent salary, you'd have to do 400 gigs a year to make that. It's very difficult to do that with one band doing bar gigs. Especially, when there are almost no places that do paid music more than 3 nights a week.

So if a band is only down for gigging 2x a month, then there's no reason to not fill the gig calendar 2x a month with that band and then fill up my calendar with other gigs from other acts. If a full gig calendar is what I'm seeking, I'll at least check into something before writing it off, because you won't always know what the front door to a great opportunity is going to look like. If there is any place where you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover is music.

As others said, tribute acts can pay well, and once you get the material down, it doesn't take as much practice, so in the long run, it can be a great investment of time. Rock bands with middle-aged and older members can still play weddings and corporates, which pay well. Acoustic gigs seem to be getting popular, so even if one of the bands you check out fails, as long as you get one person out of it that you can gel and jam with, you can play gigs, and possibly make even more per man. If you can get up to $200 a gig, you only need to play 200 of them to make a decent living.;) And there's other places for gigs that pay, and one of those losers could be a contact for a church that needs to fill a paid position, or an event planner that regularly books bands. A seasoned pro I respected told me that to check out as many opportunities as you can, because you never know which one will pan out until you actually check it out and try it. At worst, you can make a contact.

And if you're tired of playing Mustang Sally, and butchering another version of Don't Stop Believing, you can join in on an original project or some esoteric genre just for your own fun. I had one of the top sax players in town play with me for a while on a start up Jazz project just because I was willing to play Bop. The project did one gig and fizzled, but we still keep in touch.

Jive is a good example how different we are. I have seen some of his work and read about what he does. We are from 2 different generations. His aproach to music and being a musician and mine are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

I agree with very little of his veiws. And I don't Bop I only Pop.
 
Haha - here in Oz we have a forum called Ozband which is full of the following post:

"Band looking to go all the way... Have EP recorded, industry contacts, national tour booked etc. etc."

As a rule they are the ads you steer clear of!!!
 
There are, however not guys that depend on music for a living. I don't think you read the begining of my thread.

If you had 30 plus years of solid gigging and good pay and this was your only source of income I am sure looking for a start up would be at the top of your list.

Ya but those of us who have a full time career and a part time music hobby we don't want to gig a lot.