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Refusing to play at places where smoking is allowed
- Thread starter sonicland
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How is saying you can't smoke inside a private establishment that would otherwise allow it not discriminatory and further infringing on the property rights of the establishment's owner to use his property as he sees fit?
If you don't wish to be subjected to second hand smoke don't patronize or become employed by places that allow smoking.
Anywhere? Do they have a big sign at every highway entrance to Oregon that reads "SMOKERS, GET OUT!"?
Now they just need to put a bird on it...
Maybe I can leave my pack of Djarums behind the sign and pick them up as I make my way home?
Maybe I can leave my pack of Djarums behind the sign and pick them up as I make my way home?
But...... what about all of those poor people that have no place else to drink or the unfortunate souls that don't have the skills to work anywhere but in a bar?
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
I do not think the owner's property rights should extend to allow smoking in what I would consider a publicly accessible establishment. If it is a non-commercial or non-workplace environment, then I would say, no problem, do what you want.
I posed the question earlier: what is stopping smokers from forming their own private smoking clubs?
You make your choices and you pay the consequences or reap the rewards.
Yes
We didn't do it for 40 years, last time I heard him he still sounded good.Yeah, but tell us the truth. That same singer sounds like Yoda now, doesn't he?
Or even better, Leonard Cohen!
The only point I'm trying to make here is that musicians have played in smokey clubs since there were musicians and smokey clubs. Unless there is a specific health issue in general I don't think that it hurts the typical weekend warrior. I'm sure many will disagree, but I'm entitled to my opinion, as are others.
I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say they were "allergic" to smoke, when they really just didn't like it.
Too bad. You don't HAVE to drink. If those are the only skills you have, get up off your lazy ass and learn some new ones. It's hard. I got my degree at age 40; working full time, helping to support my family, paying for it myself, studying and going to classes after working all day long. I didn't just sit there whining about how much I hated my job and what a terrible hand life dealt me.
Everybody can't have everything they want all the time. You want non-smoking, someone else wants smoking; one of you will be disappointed. One of the many problems today is this sense of entitlement that many people have. They think that they should always get their own way regardless of how that affects other people.
This is why I say that the younger generation is soft. They seem to think that the purpose of life is to always be happy and never have any stress and never put themselves in an uncomfortable situation.
I didn't read the whole thread, and this has probably been said, but I don't want my basses to smell like smoke, so I don't gig where smoking is allowed indoors either.
- Jan 12, 2011
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I'm a vet, and I smoke. To each his own. I follow the rules and go to a designated smoking area. If you're a non-smoker don't come over there and bother me about anything. Let me chill in peace and don't start any of your crap.
Personally, I don't care who smokes (well I wouldn't want my daughter or wife smoking). It's good for stock holders of tobacco companies, doctors, and companies that make tracheotomy and colostomy parts and supplies. However, I refuse to breath someone elses smoke, and do not want my equipment to smell like nasty cigarette smoke.
jive1
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Because in some places, it won't be allowed or will require additional bureacratic red tape and expenses on top of what it costs to run a bar/club/etc.
You can't mandate who gets what education and require them to possess certain skills. Even then, no guarantee that the specified job field will be hiring.
I'm highly skilled and had a doctorate at age 25. I think requiring that for other people would be feasible. If I were required to be a brain surgeon or sub-atomic physicist, I'd fail miserably.
I agree. My post was in response to someone who said, what about unfortunate souls that don't have the skills to work anywhere but in a bar. If those are your only skills and you don't want to work in a bar, then get new skills. I'm not telling anyone to get an education. It's everyone's right to remain ignorant.
I"m a veteran and I don't go the local vet's bar because of the smoke, bad ventilation, and everything smells like really really dirty socks. I do attend the vet functions with the occasional smokers.
Here's one last thought. Whever you're going, instead of jumping onto someone else's bandwagon, why not try starting your own band? When you advertise or meet new musicians, mention that you don't smoke, and won't play smoke filled bars. If you are auditioning for an existing band, there may be a 'pack mentality' where, even though a couple players maybe would agree with you, openly they might all say they would play smoke filled bars because that's their standard or even the standard of the leader or one member.
If you do go this route you might want to buy a small p.a. and make sure you have reliable transportation. Sometimes when you start your own band, in order to work with the people you choose, you end up hauling around more people and gear than you anticipated.
Good luck with your new path and I hope it has a happy ending.
Here's one last thought. Whever you're going, instead of jumping onto someone else's bandwagon, why not try starting your own band? When you advertise or meet new musicians, mention that you don't smoke, and won't play smoke filled bars. If you are auditioning for an existing band, there may be a 'pack mentality' where, even though a couple players maybe would agree with you, openly they might all say they would play smoke filled bars because that's their standard or even the standard of the leader or one member.
If you do go this route you might want to buy a small p.a. and make sure you have reliable transportation. Sometimes when you start your own band, in order to work with the people you choose, you end up hauling around more people and gear than you anticipated.
Good luck with your new path and I hope it has a happy ending.
