I never play any gigs unless I feel somehow morally and intellectually superior to the people in the audience.
I don't get out that much.
I don't get out that much.
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Refusing to play at places where smoking is allowed
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gigslut said:
That's a cheap shot.
And if you're going to take cheap shots you should have the common decency, as well as the honor, to mention in the OT thread that your over here belittling the opinion of those folks.
And you ought not mince words to fit you own personal anti-smoking agenda.
You said a car was a confined space. Yes, confined not an enclosed space. I joking cited the CFR defining what a confined space is to be funny. You obviously missed that attempt at humor. Clearly if I know the CFR I also know that it applies to the work environment and not to the private sector as far as enforcement of procedures and OSHA is concerned. But that doesn't change the fact that the definition of a confined space is still that...the definition of a confined space. And since your being such a stick in the mud, a silo is most likely a permit required confined space due to engulfment and probably mechanical hazards amongst others such as combustible dust particles. I don't know...you neglected to further describe your comparative counter-argument example. And while you stick by your opinion that a car is a confined space, you should show us all how you just enter a confined space (automobile) willy nilly without due regard for your or your passengers safety.
And on top of it all, I agreed with your position on smoking in the car. So don't lump me into the few that said smoking in the car with that kid is the father's constitutional right. That the kid could just as well walk. I did not say that nor implied that.
In fact most of the discussion, barring a handful of odd ball comments, was geared to the kid taking his fathers pledge to quit WAAAAY to personal and looking for approval for his erroneous way to handle the situation. But thanks for altering THAT discussion and allowing THIS thread to think we are a bunch of nut jobs.
Again, depends on where you're located. I'd really need to go out of my way to find a venue that allowed smoking in the first place, so saying that I'm unwilling to play at smoking venues would be a moot point.
Almost every band in the last decade has smoked outside.
My only deal-breaker is cats because I'm deathy allergic. That one really holds me back.
The smokers that get all defensive about it dont want to admit that their smoking affects everyone around them. If no one else could smell your smoke, no one would care! I say, stick a fishbowl on your head, light your hair on fire, and inhale to your hearts content. As I said in another thread...how would you like it if I came and stood next to you and farted for 10 minutes straight, every 30 minutes? I bet something would be said.
You've been here all along, no need to "inform you". You quoted a definition of "confined space", specifically OSHA's definition, which is by no means the only definition and totally irrelevant to his discussion. I don't play semantic mind games so that dog don't hunt. Anyone who would deny that an automobile is a confined space has their head where the sun doesn't shine.
The reference about the kid walking was not attributed to you, but was indeed in that thread. It's not a cheap shot to quote somebody, if they say it, they should own it.
And I disagree with your assessment of the character of that thread. It, as well as this one, was politicized by pro smokers lamenting the smoking bans and erosion of their rights. Read my posts here, though I may have gotten sucked into the debate, I tried my best to stay on topic, being - how will the OP's policy affect his ability to find work. Look at who derailed that topic you will see it is the same oppressed smokers from the other thread.
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To the OP, I would never want to play with anybody who turns down any gig for a superficial reason, unless you have serious asthma that sends you to the hospital, so not only would I not hire you, nobody I know would, and you'd probably develop a reputation as a big jerk pretty quickly in my scene.
To the rest of you, 2nd smoke is not really that bad, you get far worse air in traffic or in some major cities just hanging out. The amount of you that push your agenda on people because of the bad air or how it negative "affects your senses", well one of you mention you know love harleys, guess what buddy... air pollution, AND noise pollution, why do my senses have to be assaulted by you?
How many of you are overweight? I cannot stand people who don't take care of themselves and some stink, again, offensive to my senses and a choice. I don't want to play venues where fat people will be.
I suppose you people don't want to play in a gay bar, because you don't like their life choice. Heaven forbid two homos kiss.... my senses would go nuts!!
D)
Facts are, smoker or not, when you tell people what to do you are overstepping your role in the world.
At the end of the day it is the OPs choice to play in whatever band he wants, and for that I cannot judge him, but don't think that attitude of "I'm better than thou" will go far in life. Let's be honest, you and many others here, clearly think they are above smokers... you're not, we are all the same chunk of flesh.
Oh.... and you're drinking at a bar.... consuming alcohol... and your going to tell me about a healthy lifestyle? Get over yourself
To the rest of you, 2nd smoke is not really that bad, you get far worse air in traffic or in some major cities just hanging out. The amount of you that push your agenda on people because of the bad air or how it negative "affects your senses", well one of you mention you know love harleys, guess what buddy... air pollution, AND noise pollution, why do my senses have to be assaulted by you?
How many of you are overweight? I cannot stand people who don't take care of themselves and some stink, again, offensive to my senses and a choice. I don't want to play venues where fat people will be.
I suppose you people don't want to play in a gay bar, because you don't like their life choice. Heaven forbid two homos kiss.... my senses would go nuts!!
D)Facts are, smoker or not, when you tell people what to do you are overstepping your role in the world.
At the end of the day it is the OPs choice to play in whatever band he wants, and for that I cannot judge him, but don't think that attitude of "I'm better than thou" will go far in life. Let's be honest, you and many others here, clearly think they are above smokers... you're not, we are all the same chunk of flesh.
Oh.... and you're drinking at a bar.... consuming alcohol... and your going to tell me about a healthy lifestyle? Get over yourself
I would just relocate. If the bar was a place that lots of farters liked to hang out, I wouldn't go there. The LAST thing I would do is start a campaign to outlaw farting in public.
However, if I were a frequent farter, we would get along fine. At least, that is, until some Fart Nazi came around, not even wanting to be there, telling us we can't FART!!!
(Oh, and remember, I'm a non-smoker
)ZACTLY!!!!!I would just relocate. If the bar was a place that lots of farters liked to hang out, I wouldn't go there. The LAST thing I would do is start a campaign to outlaw farting in public.
However, if I were a frequent farter, we would get along fine. At least, that is, until some Fart Nazi came around, not even wanting to be there, telling us we can't FART!!!
(Oh, and remember, I'm a non-smoker
FWIW:
(I'm a non-smoker too)
to the OP: Good on ya. I think you have every right to hold your ground. I haven't encountered smoke anywhere near me in years on a show.
Actually, my personal issue is theatrical fogs that have a propylene glycol base. If your venue is using this, you are coating your alveoli with mineral oil, and that will keep you from converting oxygen in your lungs. Just say no to the fog and the cigs!
Actually, my personal issue is theatrical fogs that have a propylene glycol base. If your venue is using this, you are coating your alveoli with mineral oil, and that will keep you from converting oxygen in your lungs. Just say no to the fog and the cigs!
You didn't mention having asthma or any medical condition.
I just have to ask- couldn't you just bring a fan to the gig?
Those same 600 people who make all the decisions gave him the right to patient privacy of his personal health information.
Regarding the fan, even if you're not a smoker, do you honestly thing a fan would serve any kind of useful function in this equation?
I actually have a good friend and guitarist of my current band who doesn't drink. He loves playing bars, but he chooses not to drink and nobody makes him. He can go to the bar and being around other people drinking doesn't really bother him. He's really a classy guy, too.
Quoted for truth. Unlike the other QFTs, this is THE truth. It's entertaining how much denial goes on.
I used to live in a household with smokers as a child and had debilitating asthma. People smoked back then and now we know. Lost a few relatives to this harmless smoking. Also had a patient hack brown mucus on my scrubs. Totally harmless.
Enlighten us to how this will effectively alleviate the OP's problems. There are some of us who understand airflow very well and seem to be unable to see the solution that you see.
I'm convinced that at least some part of the magic in vintage Fenders is the curing the maple necks got in smoky barrooms. Cig burn on headstock above nut? That baby's a keeper!
Ok. You have asthma. I get that.
The OP never said anything other than the fact that he sings a lot and hates smoke. I've worked in smoky clubs before and carried a large fan on the road to alleviate that problem. I asked the OP the question, not you Spade. Truth is I never enjoyed 4 hours onstage in those environments even when I was a smoker.
When it comes down to it we all have to weigh risk/reward for a lot of what goes into being working musicians.
If the smokers want a win, they'll have to earn it. However passionate and under the impression that they the musicians are never wrong, it's a losing battle. Mainstream culture continues to move further away from smoking while only counter-culture smokes mostly for the sake of rebellion. Besides, if ya want nicotine, man up and have a dip. I had my first dip well before ever having a smoke and it's so weak compared to a nice thick chaw. I had to quit because I saw what it was doing, but I wasn't a little wimp about it.
Cig burn on headstock above nut? That baby's a keeper!
Doesn't the Effder Custom Shop bill those @ $40/per?
