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Relicing- Faking experience/credibility?

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Ya know it will be a good thread when domestic violence is brought into the fray early on...

Relics are set dressing, in my opinion. They look the part and complete the image of a band, if they tie in with the image of a band. When I saw Black Sabbath a few years back, Tony Iommi was playing custom SGs with all sorts of finish wear and abuse. For that sort of music I'm not sure a shiny, factory-fresh guitar would have fitted the aesthetic so well. Speaking of relics, Ozzy had several buckets of water onstage, and took to dipping his head into them at regular intervals. The resulting spray killed at least one radio mic.

I do think that you have to pay a chunk for a relic. Mass-produced relic instruments don't always look the part. I'm thinking specifically of those ESP ltd basses, but there are others. Conversely some real wear doesn't look right either! Those '60s Fenders with the sunburst sprayed over a white basecoat look a bit odd when they wear down, and some older Poly finishes simply develop long longitudinal cracks or chip like glass. I think a good relic finish simply signposts the player; this guitar is comfortable and practically plays itself.

Some relic finishers, like Kelton Swade to name but one, produce work that looks totally over the top. From fifty feet away, under bright lights, it probably looks exactly like what your typical blues punter thinks an old Fender looks like. To put it another way. I recently walked down a street I used to live on, and was surprised to see a film shoot in progress. They remodelled the street to look like Victorian-era London, which involved building a false wall. Walking right past it, I could see that the wall was painted with fake brickwork, applied using a kitchen scrubber and brown acrylic paint. I watched the TV show a year later, and never spotted the wall! Up close it looked fake, from a distance it looked like grimy Victorian London. Make of that what you will.
 
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Depends on the instrument. I like the relic look a lot on some instruments and others I feel look best if they're kept in new-as-possible condition.

Truth be told I'm on the hunt right now for a relic'd 5-string P-Bass; I've been playing my still-new-looking Sadowsky with a country artist and although he doesn't care I really think a more traditional and beat-up bass would be more appropriate to the overall image.

Play what you like and what will get you the gig!
 
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First of all, to the OP, you might think about replying to people who post on your thread with new posts rather than constantly going back and editing/adding to the first post. That was confusing to read.

Secondly, forgive me if I missed it skimming the thread, but no one seems to have mentioned the "original" relic story that I see. Keith Richards was going out on a Rolling Stones tour, didn't want to bring all his precious vintage guitars on the road, so he ordered new ones from Fender. Of course, what arrived were all factory-fresh, bright sparkly new guitars. Richards got Fender on the phone and said, "I can't go on stage with these, I'm Keith &(#@ing Richards! Make them look like my old ones!" So they went back to the factory and the custom shop gave them a relic job so they would look like guitars Keith &^%ing Richards would play. After that it occurred to Fender that relic guitars might have a market, and here we are.

The point to the story being, I don't think anyone is going to accuse Keith Richards of "faking talent" by playing a relic'd guitar. No, the guitar isn't REALLY beaten and battered by years of abuse. But HE has certainly put in his years of beating and battering guitars. The new one is a part of his stage image, and he's certainly earned the image. So I wouldn't judge someone as faking or covering up lack of talent or something just because they choose to relic an instrument.

To be sure, it's very cool when there are true stories behind the mojo on an instrument. I know a guy around here who's been playing the same P bass for 20 years or more. He rests his thumb on the wood above the pickup, always has. That spot now has a hole in the wood an inch in diameter and half an inch deep, just worn away by pressure and sweat from this thumb over the years.
 
So instead of relicing the instrument and being a "fraud", misrepresenting my experience, I should buy a true vintage instrument and I somehow inherit the experience through my purchasing power?

Here's the problem - the beat up instrument is a look. Today's instruments with their poly finishes are going to look pretty much the same as new thirty years from now. They might have some swirls and dings, but they won't age like nitro finished basses of years past. The other problem is that the true vintage instruments are worth a lot of money and I don't want to take a $15k instrument to gigs. Relics provide a vintage look, modern playability and less worry about theft on the road. Some complain about not "earning" the rings on the instrument, but if you buy a vintage instrument you didn't "earn" those dings. It's the same thing.

And we do "relic" other things - jeans, faded tshirts, vintage shoes, hats that are pre-ripped, etc.
 
When I see a relic instrument I,m like ... poor instrument that no one took care of and for the one buying new and beat the s*** out of it because it looks "cool" ... Why ? But we almost only see that with Fender and EBMM pretty much every other brand are left alone.
 
When I see a relic instrument I,m like ... poor instrument that no one took care of and for the one buying new and beat the s*** out of it because it looks "cool" ... Why ? But we almost only see that with Fender and EBMM pretty much every other brand are left alone.

You mean nobody tries to recreate the classic 50's Ibanez look? I wonder...o_O

Gibson has the faded finishes, and G&L has the "Rustic".
 
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Under this dumb*#& logic, unless you refinish every used bass you buy, you are guilty of fraud.

I used black paint and superglue to fill the dings and dents in my Axstar when I first received it. I wet-sanded the finish and re-buffed it. It doesn't look factory fresh but, along with a fret level and crown, I got it a bit closer to original... I don't want to take credit for another player's filth!
 
My town has at LEAST 2 General Lee's, 3 Kitts, 2 Mystery Machines, and 1 A-Team Van.
Should i call those people frauds for not driving the actual car from the show (even considering on only exists on paper and celluloid)?

It's a look.
I've played a couple and thought they felt and sounded fantastic, but i wasn't ready to buy.
I'm having a custom bass built by a local guy who does fantastic relics, but he's just building in the feel for me, as i'd prefer to relic myself.
Meanwhile, a friend is selling her Roadworn Jazz that's an amazing bass, and if i had the cash i'd probably snag.

Play what you like, no matter how it looks.
 
I had to relic parts of my house when I rebuilt it. There were elements that remained in the "mojo'ed" condition we found it, but all the walls and floors were restored to "factory condition." There were certain places where trim and architectural details had to be refinished and they would have looked very plain and out-of-place with bright, gleaming paint. It made perfect sense to rub the edges and apply a wax tint to bring out the details and accentuate the stature of a painted mantle, for example.
 
Op reply: Childish? It was quite well-reasoned, if lacking a bit in formatting due to cell phone typing, even before the edits I made in order that fewer people will jump to the conclusion that I was categorically bashing reliced instruments. Again, context. Again, it's odd that you say something is lacking reason due to the fact that you disagree with the premise itself. It's okay to disagree with a premise but it's kinda juvenile to say that my statements were childish when, indeed, they were the perfectly valid assertions. Maybe it will help that I have since clarified that I was talking about "buying reliced stuff," this was implied/inspired by above-mentioned wish. Somehow, I doubt that my explanations will ever be enough. Oh well.

My original post should have been enough, but let me spell it out for you in crayon.

Your clarifications were difficult to read and didn't really matter because you have left in the puerile part that I quoted previously. Perhaps you weren't bashing relic instruments, but you were flagrantly insulting people who play them, which is far worse. Who the hell are you to judge anyone else? You called people poseurs, with a Kardashian mentality... etc, etc. Ad-hominem attacks are the very definition of childishness.

No logic, no maturity. Delete your account before the mods do it for you.
 
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Im down for not liking something, but getting in you high-horse / soap box and judging people for something so superficial seems silly. Dislike gear all you want, but check your hater-cape at the door.
Clearly sarcasm is hard to detect through text. I was joking about the OP. I personally don't care for relicing but was making the comment because the whole thread is opinion based anyways.
 
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