Aw thats crap, mac, and you know it! Californians arent any more irresponsible, negligent, or litigious than any other state in the US. I hear these same stories daily from middle America and the South (I'm looking at you Florida!).
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Responsible parenting. California style.
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Aw thats crap, mac, and you know it! Californians arent any more irresponsible, negligent, or litigious than any other state in the US. I hear these same stories daily from middle America and the South (I'm looking at you Florida!).
Yeah, I know it's crap, but we kinda give that "image" to the rest of the world via famous people, rodeo dr. housewives and the like...at least IMO
Pffff... you guys 'aint got nothing on us. (says the guy from NJ)
Very very often I wonder what the heck I'm still doing in this state.
Aah, git outta hea, you's. Have anutha triple-bypass and come back when you finish your 'roid cycle, yo
how was that?
Aah, git outta hea, you's. Have anutha triple-bypass and come back when you finish your 'roid cycle, yo
how was that?
fuggetaboutit!!
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We've got some crackpots, but we've also got a lot of population relative to the other states. There's a reason why California has more newsmakers than South Dakota.
That caught my eye as well.Did anyone point this out before? He was a 4 foot tall 4 year old?
I don't think that anyone who's recently lost a child deserves a "*****slap" for being upset. She's coping with tragedy. Yes, it might've been avoided but at this point I wouldn't expect her to behave entirely "sensible."
as has been stated multiple times, +1 negligent parent
When my youngest boy was 1 and a half, we were at a friend's house for a wedding reception. I was in the back near the pool with the youngest kid, eating my plate of food.
Only took a few seconds - 2 steps back, the last of which was water, my youngest fell in. I set my plate down, took a few steps and reached in for him - he was only in for a second or two, thankfully. Had I been drinking or not paying attention it could've gotten real bad real quick. Waiting 10 minutes after not seeing your gargantuan 4 year old? Pure negligence.
I feel for the lady, but the blame lies squarely at her feet.
When my youngest boy was 1 and a half, we were at a friend's house for a wedding reception. I was in the back near the pool with the youngest kid, eating my plate of food.
Only took a few seconds - 2 steps back, the last of which was water, my youngest fell in. I set my plate down, took a few steps and reached in for him - he was only in for a second or two, thankfully. Had I been drinking or not paying attention it could've gotten real bad real quick. Waiting 10 minutes after not seeing your gargantuan 4 year old? Pure negligence.
I feel for the lady, but the blame lies squarely at her feet.
I still enjoy that if something stupid happens in California it has to be pointed out in the topic as if everyone in California are like that.
Unfortunately, there are also plenty of stories about terrible things happening to kids because their wealthy, coke-sniffing parents were every bit as irresponsible as anybody on public assistance.
Four year-old Carlos Alejandro Flores drowned last summer at Great America amusement park. The Keane Law Firm represents fami...
Monday, April 14, 2008 at 9:00am
"News stories about the drowning death of Carlos Alejandro Flores report that there were not enough life guards at the Great America wave pool on July 12, 2007. Witnesses report that rescue and response time was slow. The details about how much adult supervision was available the day Carlos was killed are unclear. Since last summer, Great America has reportedly taken measures to improve safety precautions at the wave pool.
Drowning is the second leading cause of death in small children. According to the CDC, children between the ages of one and four years of age are more likely to drown in swimming pools and hot tubs. Mortality rates secondary to drowning are three times higher for males. Approximately 78% of drowning victims are male. Unlike adults, young children do not call out for help while in distress, they generally drown silently. Near-drowning accidents can result in permanent brain damage. For every child that drowns there are approximately five near-drowning episodes in children. Drowning is the second highest cause of injury-related deaths in children between the ages of one and nine years old.
Supervise toddlers at all times while they are playing in the pool. Stationary pools should have a locked fence around them. Personal well-fitting flotation devices should be on all children during water recreation. Never leave a toddler unsupervised during play time in or near the water. Because young children do not call out for help while in distress, they need supervision for this reason. Lapses in adult supervision, even while parents are around but distracted, are very common features of drowning accidents. Introducing swimming lessons and water safety at a young age will reduce the likelihood of drowning or near-drowning mishaps through the lifespan of a child."
Monday, April 14, 2008 at 9:00am
"News stories about the drowning death of Carlos Alejandro Flores report that there were not enough life guards at the Great America wave pool on July 12, 2007. Witnesses report that rescue and response time was slow. The details about how much adult supervision was available the day Carlos was killed are unclear. Since last summer, Great America has reportedly taken measures to improve safety precautions at the wave pool.
Drowning is the second leading cause of death in small children. According to the CDC, children between the ages of one and four years of age are more likely to drown in swimming pools and hot tubs. Mortality rates secondary to drowning are three times higher for males. Approximately 78% of drowning victims are male. Unlike adults, young children do not call out for help while in distress, they generally drown silently. Near-drowning accidents can result in permanent brain damage. For every child that drowns there are approximately five near-drowning episodes in children. Drowning is the second highest cause of injury-related deaths in children between the ages of one and nine years old.
Supervise toddlers at all times while they are playing in the pool. Stationary pools should have a locked fence around them. Personal well-fitting flotation devices should be on all children during water recreation. Never leave a toddler unsupervised during play time in or near the water. Because young children do not call out for help while in distress, they need supervision for this reason. Lapses in adult supervision, even while parents are around but distracted, are very common features of drowning accidents. Introducing swimming lessons and water safety at a young age will reduce the likelihood of drowning or near-drowning mishaps through the lifespan of a child."
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The terrible cost of parental incompetence.
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Carlos Alejandro Flores, 4 (R.I.P.)
The terrible cost of parental incompetence.
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Carlos Alejandro Flores, 4 (R.I.P.)
Jauqo, her grief at losing a child is not related to the fact that she let her 4-year-old son go into the water unsupervised (without her). Four years old. It is unreasonable to expect that a lifeguard (or six) can keep an eye on the presumably hundreds of people of all sizes in that wave pool. A 4-year-old is going to be shorter than most people in the pool, and much harder to see.
That, and I didn't see anywhere in the story where anyone said the lifeguards were sitting on any thrones looking cool. I think you do a disservice to lifeguards by trying to perpetuate that old stereotype. The lifeguards I've seen at the beach over the last 50 years seem to take their jobs seriously, and have always struck me as being very professional. I'll bet there is surveillance video that will shed more light on the number and locations of the lifeguards.
The mother bears the bulk of the responsibility for her child's death, and I'll bet there is cautionary language on signs at the entrance and on her ticket pointing out the risks.
I'm pretty sure that Mark Wilson is a lifeguard. Maybe he will chime in. I'm willing to bet that the amount of time he has spent looking cool for girls is zero.
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Why did someone bump this thing?
Still with that said I'll throw in my two cents on this. As a professional lifesaver, it is always better practice to make preventative measures. In the ocean, I make contact with people in rip currents before they are rescues. Often the rip opens up so fast that by the time I get to them people have already begun struggling. It's not good policy to rely on a person's ability to struggle for survival (especially in the case on non-swimmers), but often we are forced to do it. In one incident, which was documented on the tv show Ocean Force, a fellow guard at my beach was already in the water pulling three people in on his buoy, while his two flanking towers were also responding to rescues in their water. A non swimmer and his friends entered the water and were sucked into a rip current. His friends got out. I pulled their buddy off the bottom an hour later. Normally, the trucks, and boat have personnel to respond, but this all happened before we got there. If the kid knew how to swim, we could have reached him while he struggled.
I have been in these wave pools with swimmers and innertubes and I remember having my son (who happened to be four at the time) with me. He wasn't big enough to fit in the innertube and he kept falling through the hole. When the waves fired up it was a nightmare.
There were WAY too many people in the pool and with all the innertubes it created some very dangerous spaces. I literally rescued my own son and muscled us out of there. The lifeguards at this particular waterslide park sucked. They were just kids that knew basic CPR and could swim well enough to pass a few tests. They were not scanning the water, and were not on top of the situation. When I got us out of the water I went and complained to them. I told them that they've got a very dangerous situation on their hands and that someone is going to drown. I got eyerolls and was blown off. I complained to their supervisor. Same thing. I've never returned to that park.
So I can understand the environment that caused this childs death. I also understand it way better than most people. Still, I would have never let my four year old go swimming in that pool without me. Maybe I would have stood by if there were no innertubes, but he would never be far from my reach.
So I say, the lifeguards suck, the environment created with those innertubes sucks, and the mom sucks for not staying by her child.
Still with that said I'll throw in my two cents on this. As a professional lifesaver, it is always better practice to make preventative measures. In the ocean, I make contact with people in rip currents before they are rescues. Often the rip opens up so fast that by the time I get to them people have already begun struggling. It's not good policy to rely on a person's ability to struggle for survival (especially in the case on non-swimmers), but often we are forced to do it. In one incident, which was documented on the tv show Ocean Force, a fellow guard at my beach was already in the water pulling three people in on his buoy, while his two flanking towers were also responding to rescues in their water. A non swimmer and his friends entered the water and were sucked into a rip current. His friends got out. I pulled their buddy off the bottom an hour later. Normally, the trucks, and boat have personnel to respond, but this all happened before we got there. If the kid knew how to swim, we could have reached him while he struggled.
I have been in these wave pools with swimmers and innertubes and I remember having my son (who happened to be four at the time) with me. He wasn't big enough to fit in the innertube and he kept falling through the hole. When the waves fired up it was a nightmare.
There were WAY too many people in the pool and with all the innertubes it created some very dangerous spaces. I literally rescued my own son and muscled us out of there. The lifeguards at this particular waterslide park sucked. They were just kids that knew basic CPR and could swim well enough to pass a few tests. They were not scanning the water, and were not on top of the situation. When I got us out of the water I went and complained to them. I told them that they've got a very dangerous situation on their hands and that someone is going to drown. I got eyerolls and was blown off. I complained to their supervisor. Same thing. I've never returned to that park.
So I can understand the environment that caused this childs death. I also understand it way better than most people. Still, I would have never let my four year old go swimming in that pool without me. Maybe I would have stood by if there were no innertubes, but he would never be far from my reach.
So I say, the lifeguards suck, the environment created with those innertubes sucks, and the mom sucks for not staying by her child.
