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RHCP Air Guitar

#61
4001 said:
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Succinctly stated.
 
#62
When the Beatles peformed on Ed Sullivan in 1964, I could tell immediatly that they were playing live because they sounded nothing like their records. My mother, who was no rock music fan, was awed watching them play and sing.

I've always loved and appreciated live music. Once I saw that the bass wasn't plugged in, my interest waned and I just looked at it like an MTV video.
 
#63
This whole "just the way it's done" argument is weak, IMO. It's the same as saying that all magazine models are photoshopped, so we should just accept it. Well guess what? I don't accept it. I, for one, am tired of a condescending media environment that thinks I'm too stupid to know what I'm seeing/hearing or too apathetic to care.

Screw photoshop. Screw lip (or instrument) syncing. Screw the decision-makers that force them on us just to sell, sell, sell. And screw the shameless participants in these deceptive practices.

As for RHCP and Flea's open letter: Also weak, IMO. The whole thing reads like "well, we figured if we were going to lie, we'd be unapologetic about it." I call "shenanigans." A bald-faced lie is still a lie. If you're going to go to the trouble, at least TRY to fly under the collective BS detector.
 
#64
Steve S said:
When the Beatles peformed on Ed Sullivan in 1964, I could tell immediatly that they were playing live because they sounded nothing like their records. My mother, who was no rock music fan, was awed watching them play and sing.
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That's great you enjoyed the Beatles debut on Ed Sullivan -- but try to remind yourself that that transpired fifty years ago. That's half a century.

About ten years ago, I tried to play some Clash tracks for my 20-something friends, and their then-contemporary hard rock mp3's just blew the Clash away on a purely sonic level. The stirring chords and rolling bass of "London Calling" sounded thin and anemic compared to the beefy, compressed and mega-fied contemporary rock. I tried to give the kids a quick lecture about English punk rock in the context of its time, but then a Biggie Smalls track came on and they were more interested in schooling me.

Biggie's freestyle rap was mind-blowing.

Point is, try to keep an open mind or risk being consigned to the TB fuddy duddy refuse heap.
 
#66
Mark Nye said:
This whole "just the way it's done" argument is weak, IMO. It's the same as saying that all magazine models are photoshopped, so we should just accept it. Well guess what? I don't accept it. I, for one, am tired of a condescending media environment that thinks I'm too stupid to know what I'm seeing/hearing or too apathetic to care.

Screw photoshop. Screw lip (or instrument) syncing. Screw the decision-makers that force them on us just to sell, sell, sell. And screw the shameless participants in these deceptive practices.
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Preach it brutha! It's interesting that Jah Wobble Fan painted me as a traditionalist for wantin live music to be left alone. I'm not sure if that's correct, but maybe I'm more purist than some. If I'm listening to some form of electronica or synth or computerized music, then I guess I expect perfection. If I'm attending a live event or viewing footage, then I hope it will be live. I don't believe these are new issues.

Here's an interesting point... Maybe people only care about the vocals and not instrumentalists? As was brought up, back in the 1950s and '60s it was common to have studio musicians play on tracks instead of the real rhythm section. How did they avoid getting sued for consumer fraud. From the Wiki article on Milli Vanilli:

"After these details emerged, at least 27 different lawsuits were filed under various U.S. consumer fraud protection laws against Pilatus, Morvan and Arista Records. One such filing occurred on November 22, 1990 in Ohio, where lawyers there filed a class-action lawsuit asking for refunds on behalf of a local woman in Cuyahoga County who had bought Girl You Know It's True; at the time the lawsuit was filed, it was estimated at least 1,000 Ohio residents had bought the album. On August 12, 1991, a proposed settlement to a refund lawsuit in Chicago, Illinois was rejected. This settlement would have refunded buyers of Milli Vanilli CDs, cassettes, records, or singles. However, the refunds would only be given as a credit for a future Arista release. On August 28, a new settlement was approved; it refunded those who attended concerts along with those who bought Milli Vanilli recordings. An estimated 10 million buyers were eligible to claim a refund and they could keep the refunded recordings as well.The deadline to claim refunds passed on March 8, 1992.
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Bottom line there is that there were fraud claims because different people sang than were credited. And this is in the pop world where expectations are low, right?

OK, now a rock band is usually marketed as a band. So why were there never any fraud claims leveled against Bon Jovi? There was a man named Alec John Such that was credited as the bassist on such bajillion-selling albums as Slippery When Wet, but bassist Hugh McDonald (the unofficial guy since 1994) claims to have written and performed the basslines on all the albums since the 2nd or 3rd. Isn't that consumer fraud?
 
#67
Kragnorak said:
OK, now a rock band is usually marketed as a band. So why were there never any fraud claims leveled against Bon Jovi? There was a man named Alec John Such that was credited as the bassist on such bajillion-selling albums as Slippery When Wet, but bassist Hugh McDonald (the unofficial guy since 1994) claims to have written and performed the basslines on all the albums since the 2nd or 3rd. Isn't that consumer fraud?
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Because nobody cared who played the bass on said Bon Jovi albums. Nobody cared then, nobody cared a decade or two later when they admitted it.
 
#68
prd004 said:
Because nobody cared who played the bass on said Bon Jovi albums. Nobody cared then, nobody cared a decade or two later when they admitted it.
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It is not true than no one cares that two bass players are responsible for the playing on the early Bon Jovi catalogue:
on the contrary, many of us care passionately, and we are likewise deeply committed to bringing both players to justice for crimes against art and humanity.

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