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Rhythm Changes?

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by JetJazz, Dec 26, 2004.


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  1. JetJazz

    JetJazz

    Sep 9, 2004
    Houston
    What is the definition of the Rhythm Changes progression?

    JetJazz
     
  2. Eli M.

    Eli M. Life's like a movie, write your own ending

    Jul 24, 2004
    New York, NY
  3. Ummm... no. Here's a more accurate and detailed description of Rhythm Changes:

    http://people.uncw.edu/russellr/rhythm.html

    There's a lot you can do in the B section. It's really like the 12-bar blues progression: there are many variations and reharms.
     
  4. _Unregistered_

    _Unregistered_

    Nov 3, 2004
    See: Flintstones (meet the).

    :p
     
  5. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    There's a lot you can do with the A section, too. Rhythm changes is like Bach: you can spend an awful long time with them before you get to the music.
     
  6. Yeah, I can see that, too. There's a lot of cool pedal tone stuff that can happen in the A section.

    The most commonly-used variation (or rather embellishment) of the B section I've heard is this: (pretty basic, just a bunch of II Vs)

    Am7 \ \ \ | D7 \ \ \ | Dm7 \ \ \ | G7 \ \ \ |
    Gm7 \ \ \ | C7 \ \ \ | Cm7 \ \ \ | F7 \ \ \ ||

    That website that I posted has a lot of good ideas on it. Just check that out rather than reading my puny ideas. :)
     
  7. Mike Dimin

    Mike Dimin

    Dec 11, 1999
    Clinician: EA, Zon, Boomerang, TI. Author "The Art of Solo Bass"
    My book, The Chordal Approach has a very detailed look into Rhythm Changes and it's reharms - all played in a chord melody style on bass - check it out
     
  8. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    My favorite B section variation would be:

    D7/D7/Db7/Db7/C7/C7/B7/B7

    You gotta love tritone subs....
     
  9. WillPlay4Food

    WillPlay4Food Now With More Metal! Staff Member Supporting Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Orbiting HQ
    Cool thread. *subscribes* :)

    Thanks for the Rhythm Changes links. New stuff to practice! Yay!
     
  10. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    I've got rhythm... I've got music...
     
  11. Hahah, yes. Bassists love that chromatic movement. But (as a keyboardist) unfortunately I find it cliched and boring, sorry to say.
     
  12. RicPlaya

    RicPlaya

    Apr 22, 2003
    Whitmoretucky MI
    I somewhat feel comfortable with this because of my drumming background...hint hint, pay attention to your drummer.
     
  13. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Funny - I work with three of the most brilliant pianists I've ever met, and they love it.

    Lynn Seaton said that if something's boring - it's probably you.
     
  14. Superdave

    Superdave

    Apr 20, 2003
    St. Louis, MO
    Hey Pacman..can you clarify on what a tritone sub is? I've got an idea, but..
     
  15. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    The two most important notes of a chord are the 3rd and the 7th. In a dominant chord, they form a tritone. Now, let's use a C7 chord - the 3rd and 7th are the E and Bb, right? Let's look at an F#7 (or Gb7), which is a tritone away. What are the 3rd and 7th? A# (or Bb) and E. In both chords, the 3rd and 7th want to resolve to the same notes, so the chords can substitue for one another.

    Clear, or muddy?
     
  16. WillPlay4Food

    WillPlay4Food Now With More Metal! Staff Member Supporting Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Orbiting HQ
    Ummm, *looks into coffee*, clear as mud to me. Would you care to elaborate? I'd really like to understand what you're trying to say here.
     
  17. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    NYC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    At the risk of seeming P/A, the flat 5 of C is going to be Gb, not F#.
     
  18. wyliee

    wyliee

    Jul 6, 2003
    South Hill, WA
    I'd suggestion checking out Mike's book. I'm working on this particular section right now and trying to revoice it for six string bass.
     
  19. Well, yes, maybe it's just me. A better word would be "unimaginative" rather than "boring." It's just chromatic movement -- down a half-step every two bars. I mean, maybe you could use that as a sort of starting point.

    So instead of:

    D7/D7/Db7/Db7/C7/C7/B7/B7

    Embellish it and go:

    Am7 | D7 | Dbm7 | Abm7 Db7 | Gbmaj7 | Db7 | Ebmaj7 | B13(#11)

    Now wasn't that so much more fun?
     
  20. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    If you do that without thought, it's just as unimaginative and boring as if you do the chromatic movement. I'm a little curious as how you arived at that progression for a Rhythm Changes bridge - functionally, it's all wrong. Want to 'show your math' on that one?
     



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