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Rickenbacker 4003 Copy

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What do you like about the Ric?

The look, the sound, the feel?

If it's the look you want, you don't have many other affordable options.

If it's the just the sound, you can even just do a warmoth build and put some pickups in Ric spots and it will get you very close. That's what I did. It compares pretty favorably to my ric. Had I used actual ric pickups I'm sure it'd sound even closer

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You can save money on everything by ordering the parts unfinished and just doing an oil finish on the body.
 
if you really just want to make a project out of it, I'd say a Japanese "lawsuit" (ibanez, greco, vantage, Aria, etc) Ric would be a better base for your project, as it would have been made from a higher standard of quality from the get go. granted, lots of lawsuit Rics were Bolt-on rather than neck-through, im not sure how the Chinese copies are made? they are getting pricier every year though, so it'd be wise to keep an eye out for a deal. Also, this is just my opinion, but if it were me? I'd put upgraded rick pickups like the Joe Bardens if i were doing a project like this. OG ric pickups arent the greatest thing anyway, super noisy and not the greatest output levels, the only reason most of us dont change them out is because we'd feel like heretics for mutilating our ricks, but many people have put upgraded pickups in their ricks and to be honest, they do fix a lot of the issues the stock electronics have while still retaining the original sound, albeit probably adding a bit more beef and bottom which can either be a good or bad thing depending on your preferences.
 
Just a reminder: If its just sound that you want, @primussucks9126 is correct about pickup placement.....and Peavey T-40s can almost sound just like a Ric although they weigh a lot and Leftys are also rare - but they would be less expensive

If its Ric looks (and I dont blame ya: Rics look awesome), then disregard
 
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I was in a similar position a few months ago. I saw Primus cover Rush and knew I had to get a rickenbacker but thought the cost was too high. I didn't consider a modern counterfeit but I looked into the old lawsuit copies, building one, and buying the real deal. The lawsuits are so inflated you may as well keep saving. I still think building a copy is a solid option but it's not much cheaper than a real Rickenbacker depending on how you value your labor. In the end I watched Reverb religiously and when my dream color/year popped up under 2k I pounced on it. The listing was up for 40 minutes. Deals are out there if you're willing to wait and the Ric I ended up with is much better than the lawsuit copies I've played (which are still nice basses) and better than a lot of vintage Ricks I've had the opportunity to play that needed a lot of TLC. I would keep your eyes open and get ready for the perfect Ric to pop up. It'll be worth the wait.
 
30 some odd years ago, I was in South Korea shopping at Itaewon. At that time, you could buy just about anything that was worth counterfeiting there. At the time, Rolex was the hot commodity, so I bought a few for friends. In hind sight, what I should have done is bought quite a few for each friend because they lasted about a week each. The counterfeits are probably much better today, but they are still illegal in this country.
 
A couple YT reviews of Chickenbacker Standard basses, enough of these around that you can find plenty of reviews, the consensus running from Garbage to fairly positive. This one's kind of a "meh".


This guy digs it


This review is getting a little dated, but the Chickenbackers don't seem to have changed much, so I think it's still a pretty accurate assessment.


Another direct sound comparison between real and counterfeit:
 
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I absolutely love my homemade Rick-alikes. If you’re crafty, patient, and diligent, you can build the bass(es) of your dreams!

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What he said! If anybody has time and inclination to build your own, plenty of help and technical info required to do it right here on TB Luthier's Corner, @ctmullins builds among the more spectacular examples. It's no harder than any other neck-through build, and bolt-on is always an easier option. Most of the Chickenbacker Standards are set-neck.
 
Well..here's my little adventure. I'm left handed. Just try finding decent lefty basses. In 1976, I ordered a couple of lefty basses from Gibson, a 76 T-bird, then, an L9s ripper in Ebony. Only to have them mail me a 'sorry, we're not producing this instrument at this time- even after seeing it was available left handed in their printed catalog, that you MAILED in a request for... Remember those? Well, I've never really wanted to own a Rick, as I'm a Luthier, and have been working on them for a very long time. They are fairly well made instruments, with some serious design flaws many of us have long known about. I still work on many Ricks, although nowhere near as many as I do Fender and even Gibson basses. I've learned a lot of things many Rick enthusiasts are unaware of. The body shapes, for example, are NOT all the same. The scale lengths vary slightly, as well.The 'routing' of the cavities, especially on mid- late seventies 4000 series basses, is really sub-par for a high end production bass. On to the point here. I've seen Greco, and other copies from the 70's and 80's that were actually superior in some ways to the real Ricks. I love the look of the 4005 semi-hollow basses. And yes, it is a 'look' thing for me. They made a few lefty 4005's, and those are late model used car money- IF you can find one an owner will sell you. I saw a direct copy, the pickups in the right locations, and the correct body shape, and ordered one. Well, it surprised me- the finish on it, is at least on a 90's Korean made bass level. Maybe better. The hardware, crap. The neck set, was bad. They set it at the wrong angle.They deliberately set it to back bow to set it up. I was going to steam out the neck and reset it, but I didn't have to. The ridiculously short neck tab/ tongue was so short, the neck took itself out after a month. See photo #1. They wouldn't take the bass back, so, it became a project. The pickups, were bad- the outside strings are lower in amplitude than the center ones. So, I ordered two GFS gold foil pickups, and a Tone Monster SEB3-B preamp, some accurate knobs, and a set of hipshot licensed tuners. I added a new scarf jointed neck tab, deepened the pocket for it, and glued it in, at the correct angle, so I thought. I had to correct it, like as in doing it again.. thank God for hot hide glue. But, in my haste, I cracked the thinner than I thought- back. No problem... I fix things like that, and it IS my bass. See photo of new neck heel.
After it was done, I set it up, and decided to make an aluminum bridge with four saddles, to replace the horrible six saddle guitar one they install. See next photo... It's a really good playing, sounding bass now. But, two things you must know- The Chinese don't give a poop if you have a problem with what you buy from them.
2. Unless you are prepared for the worst, don't buy a Chinese bass from China!
Yes, many arrive here, get some fret and setup work done, and are fairly good.
The current Rickenbacker basses sound great, and are made as well as the best ones I've seen. Save up. Buy a new Rickenbacker.
 

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I work on yachts. I've worked at times as a yacht broker as well. I've worked on the best, custom,multi-million dollar yachts in the world

I've also worked on and sold some Chinese mass produced yachts. Both are good and work for people in different ways. I think Bass copies, whether it's Rickenbacker, Fender etc. are the same way.

I've had 3 real Rickenbacker's (and have a 1973 Ric waiting for me in the States). They are great basses (for me), but the Chinese copies serve a purpose as well. On a run of theatre shows I used a Alie Express Ric that I added a real Ric neck pick up to and beefed up the electronics. I was all in about $500. I wasn't going to worry about it too much if it was stolen.

Here it is in action:

 
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