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Rickenbacker 4003: The Struggle is Real

Why Rickenbacker? Why?

  • Stop complaining, once they're setup they're awesome.

    Votes: 96 50.0%
  • I used to own a Ric and will never own one again.

    Votes: 29 15.1%
  • Can't justify the price to buy one.

    Votes: 67 34.9%

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Rickenbacker's reputational wounds have all been self-inflicted, mainly due to John Hall being a World Class Jerk who treated his customers with contempt. Now that he's gone, his son Ben seems to be at least attempting to repair some of the damage. They have been in the fortunate position of selling every bass they make, regardless of intermittently atrocious QC and CS, but nothing lasts forever. In an era when it's perfectly possible to buy a decent bass for under $300, an $1800 bass with peeling paint get's hard to justify buying. They seem to have solved all of the most egregious QC issues, but they still have NO regional authorized service centers, so any QC problems require you to ship the bass, on your dime, one-way to CA for ANY warranty repairs. There's no way to polish that turd, but if you buy one through Sweetwater or a reputable dealer like Wildwood, they try to weed out any lemons before they ship them out, and will honor returns on a botched bass. I don't have to like the company to like their products, I have an iPhone, for instance, but some of the most strident criticism is either unencumbered by actually playing a Ric, or just second-hand hyperbole. They are anachronistic, quirky, and somewhat un-ergonomic bases from the era of chrome hood ornaments that happen to look and sound fantastic. As such, they are definitely not for everyone, but they are also not the train-wreck some people ascribe to them. The fact that it's nearly impossible to "test drive" one in a local store makes buying one a crapshoot for most people, but I think it's more or less mandatory with Rics. They either work for you or they don't.
 
Rickenbacker's reputational wounds have all been self-inflicted, mainly due to John Hall being a World Class Jerk who treated his customers with contempt. Now that he's gone, his son Ben seems to be at least attempting to repair some of the damage. They have been in the fortunate position of selling every bass they make, regardless of intermittently atrocious QC and CS, but nothing lasts forever. In an era when it's perfectly possible to buy a decent bass for under $300, an $1800 bass with peeling paint get's hard to justify buying. They seem to have solved all of the most egregious QC issues, but they still have NO regional authorized service centers, so any QC problems require you to ship the bass, on your dime, one-way to CA for ANY warranty repairs. There's no way to polish that turd, but if you buy one through Sweetwater or a reputable dealer like Wildwood, they try to weed out any lemons before they ship them out, and will honor returns on a botched bass.
I'm optimistic for the future of Rickenbacker now that Ben has taken over. There have already been so many positive changes implemented, so I don't see why Ben and his staff won't consider updating their service, shipping, and repair policies.
 
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I'm optimistic for the future of Rickenbacker now that Ben has taken over. There have already been so many positive changes implemented, so I don't see why Ben and his staff won't consider updating their service, shipping, and repair policies.[/QUOTE

One can only hope.... I don't know of another Major guitar maker with such a crappy warranty policy, Rics are comparable in price to high-end Fenders, and they have lots of regional service centers. Imagine if you bought a brand new car and the paint started peeling off the hood. The salesman says "Sorry, not my problem, you'll have to ship it back to CA for repairs, M'kay?"
 
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It didn't feel like a Ric.
Very interesting! They were discontinued this year likely because of sentiments like yours. Ben Hall (or a manager on his staff) must have saw his sales figures over the last 5 years and made that decision.

Plus, there was demand to bring back the 4005 for the first time since Ben's grandpa FC was running Rickenbacker. I hope they don't discontinue the new 4005V in a few years.
 
Very interesting! They were discontinued this year likely because of sentiments like yours. Ben Hall (or a manager on his staff) must have saw his sales figures over the last 5 years and made that decision.

Plus, there was demand to bring back the 4005 for the first time since Ben's grandpa FC was running Rickenbacker. I hope they don't discontinue the new 4005V in a few years.
I need time to get a 4005V. Probably a few of us out there.
 
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I've never owned one let alone seen one in person. I've also heard mixed reviews about it on TB and YouTube.
I have one in FireGlo. It's fantastic. The B string is one of the best of any 5'r I've ever played. The B is usable from 1st to last fret. Amazing really!
It didn't feel like a Ric.
they feel fantastic in every way.
 
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IMO, The only legit gripe is the Finish issues. All the other stuff is just nitpicking. .0001% of tail lift ever caused a problem.

The original bridges are great! I just did a full setup ion less than 15 minutes using Stranded Core Flats.

Dual Truss Rods? EFF Yeah! The most stable necks of any basses.

Binding? Count me in! Looks great and feels fine if using proper technique. If you play sittind down all hunched over your bass then it may get uncomfortable.

The Mutes? 100% usable if you take the time to understand how they work.

Chrome pickup cover? Makes a great thumb/finger rest. Looks Cool. Off in 5 minutes if you really don't like it.

Back to the finish issues. Yes that problem is legit but usually stays very minor and doesn't progress. It's still a little heart-breaking when it happens to you.

Here's Pics of my Midnight Blue from 2016. It sucks but hasn't changed in many years.
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That paint "bubbling" around the bridge was pretty typical of the problem, and if it doesn't bother you, it's all good. What gets harder to explain is why similar paint issues happened randomly on Rics over a nearly 10-year period, and yet, with a well known and exhaustively photographed finishing defect, they stuck to their guns on the "warranty". If you wanted it fixed, YOU had to eat one-way shipping to CA. Luckily, I haven't seen or read about this finish issue for the last couple of years, so it seems like they solved it, finally. As for the double trussrods, I read a lot about 4001's never needing trussrod adjustment, but that was not the case on my 78' 4001, It was by far the LEAST stable bass I've ever owned, one of the reasons I eventually sold it. A moot point now, since Ric has come to the same conclusion as every other manufacturer (except Alembic), which is a single modern DA rod on a 4 string. Opinions vary, but IMO the basses they are making right now are the best I've ever seen from them, complete with crap warranty. :D
 
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That paint "bubbling" around the bridge was pretty typical of the problem, and if it doesn't bother you, it's all good. What gets harder to explain is why similar paint issues happened randomly on Rics over a nearly 10-year period, and yet, with a well known and exhaustively photographed finishing defect, they stuck to their guns on the "warranty". If you wanted it fixed, YOU had to eat one-way shipping to CA. Luckily, I haven't seen or read about this finish issue for the last couple of years, so it seems like they solved it, finally. As for the double trussrods, I read a lot about 4001's never needing trussrod adjustment, but that was not the case on my 78' 4001, It was by far the LEAST stable bass I've ever owned, one of the reasons I eventually sold it. A moot point now, since Ric has come to the same conclusion as every other manufacturer (except Alembic), which is a single modern DA rod on a 4 string. Opinions vary, but IMO the basses they are making right now are the best I've ever seen from them, complete with crap warranty. :D
I have honestly never had a bass(Out of well over 1000) that had neck stability issues.

I believe it's real and people aren't just making it up But...

I have a theory as to why people have such with necks moving:

If you like really, really low action, it's going to put your neck in a bad situation. In that case, the strings are barely putting any tension against the Truss Rods. They are kind of free-floating! If you want your action really really low on a Rick, Simply adjust the bridge up a little until any unwanted buzzing is eliminated. No need to Mess with Truss Rods for minor action height tweaks. I have never, ever had a Rick go into a back-bow from just a seasonal change. I guess if you are keeping you Ricks' neck 100% flat. The whole "Keep your Neck 100% flat" is just horrible advice IMO.

If you go from Arizona to Florida(Dry to Humid), and you had about a business cards worth of relief, Then a quick turn of the Bridge Allen screws will have you right back in business. Always keep you Allen keys in your case.

 
I have honestly never had a bass(Out of well over 1000) that had neck stability issues.

I believe it's real and people aren't just making it up But...

I have a theory as to why people have such with necks moving:

If you like really, really low action, it's going to put your neck in a bad situation. In that case, the strings are barely putting any tension against the Truss Rods. They are kind of free-floating! If you want your action really really low on a Rick, Simply adjust the bridge up a little until any unwanted buzzing is eliminated. No need to Mess with Truss Rods for minor action height tweaks. I have never, ever had a Rick go into a back-bow from just a seasonal change. I guess if you are keeping you Ricks' neck 100% flat. The whole "Keep your Neck 100% flat" is just horrible advice IMO.

If you go from Arizona to Florida(Dry to Humid), and you had about a business cards worth of relief, Then a quick turn of the Bridge Allen screws will have you right back in business. Always keep you Allen keys in your case.
Rics have always been notoriously variable in neck dimensions, presumably based on the "hand" of the last person who sands. Pre-CNC era, the necks were all over the place. A good friend and I both bought 78' Ric 4001's at E.U. Wurlitzer in Boston, must have been fall of 78. I got a Jetglo, he got a mapleglo. I played through a stack of 5-6 of them they had in stock (imagine that!!) and picked the one with the thinnest neck. My buddy did more or less the same, and had more or less the same issues. Mine was the scariest of scary-thin, and it just would not hold a set relief, every time the weather changed, so did the neck. I live and grew up in Massachusetts, where the weather is constantly changing. If I lived in Arizona, maybe it would have been different, but the humidity and temperature in Mass are a nightmare for basses and guitars. I'm sure the "scary-thin" part had something to do with it, you could "whammy bar" that neck (might have done that once or twice :D) They must have had trouble at the factory with mine, the first time I took the TRC off, brand new, the rods were already bending down into the TRC pocket. They must have really cranked it trying to get it flat. I just assumed that was normal for years. The other issue with late 70's Rics was the frets. They were using some kind of crappy soft fretwire that rounds ATE in about three years of normal play. I've heard that from other Ric players too, so it wasn't my heavy-handed playing. I am convinced that was why they were telling dealers that the warranty would be void if you put anything on but Ric brand strings. That nonsense about string tension was pure Hogwash, mine came strung with flats, which are typically HIGHER tension than rounds.

The new Rics are back to 4001 neck dimensions, better bridge, better trussrod, better electronics. Given the choice, I'd take a brand new 4003 over a "vintage" 4001 any day.
 
Rics have always been notoriously variable in neck dimensions, presumably based on the "hand" of the last person who sands. Pre-CNC era, the necks were all over the place. A good friend and I both bought 78' Ric 4001's at E.U. Wurlitzer in Boston, must have been fall of 78. I got a Jetglo, he got a mapleglo. I played through a stack of 5-6 of them they had in stock (imagine that!!) and picked the one with the thinnest neck. My buddy did more or less the same, and had more or less the same issues. Mine was the scariest of scary-thin, and it just would not hold a set relief, every time the weather changed, so did the neck. I live and grew up in Massachusetts, where the weather is constantly changing. If I lived in Arizona, maybe it would have been different, but the humidity and temperature in Mass are a nightmare for basses and guitars. I'm sure the "scary-thin" part had something to do with it, you could "whammy bar" that neck (might have done that once or twice :D) They must have had trouble at the factory with mine, the first time I took the TRC off, brand new, the rods were already bending down into the TRC pocket. They must have really cranked it trying to get it flat. I just assumed that was normal for years. The other issue with late 70's Rics was the frets. They were using some kind of crappy soft fretwire that rounds ATE in about three years of normal play. I've heard that from other Ric players too, so it wasn't my heavy-handed playing. I am convinced that was why they were telling dealers that the warranty would be void if you put anything on but Ric brand strings. That nonsense about string tension was pure Hogwash, mine came strung with flats, which are typically HIGHER tension than rounds.

The new Rics are back to 4001 neck dimensions, better bridge, better trussrod, better electronics. Given the choice, I'd take a brand new 4003 over a "vintage" 4001 any day.
Hard pass for me on newer Ricks. Dual Truss Rod with roller bridge era is passable but prior to that are the ones for me. I'll set em up and play the snot out of them.
 
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I have one in FireGlo. It's fantastic. The B string is one of the best of any 5'r I've ever played. The B is usable from 1st to last fret. Amazing really!

they feel fantastic in every way.
Interesting- the one I had's B string was dull and I played someone else's and it was the same.
The neck was also really wide.
My Warwick and Status 5-ers are much nicer to me.
I think Rics are the best basses ever (I have eight), but the 5-string wasn't.
Each to their own, though.
 
Very interesting! They were discontinued this year likely because of sentiments like yours. Ben Hall (or a manager on his staff) must have saw his sales figures over the last 5 years and made that decision.

Plus, there was demand to bring back the 4005 for the first time since Ben's grandpa FC was running Rickenbacker. I hope they don't discontinue the new 4005V in a few years.
I played a 4005XC a few weeks ago and it was really nice.
 
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Interesting- the one I had's B string was dull and I played someone else's and it was the same.
The neck was also really wide.
My Warwick and Status 5-ers are much nicer to me.
I think Rics are the best basses ever (I have eight), but the 5-string wasn't.
Each to their own, though.
You're welcome to try mine, it's perfection. I use my B string from end to end. Ironically, a Status was the absolute worst bass I ever owned. I sent it right back.
 
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