I love them. My 9.0 is in with Andy getting the once-over, so the 6.0 is running the show tonight.
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Roscoe Club
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I love them. My 9.0 is in with Andy getting the once-over, so the 6.0 is running the show tonight.
He may have a couple NOS Streamliners. I have debated trying it with my Genzler 12T-V cab. Get some of the tube tone I have DI with my REDDI. Not sure yet as I still debate that BAmp as an all in one solution.
Some might say the debate is neverending
Aside from my usual paralysis, the rumor that there could be a pedal version of a Bergantino preamp adds to the quandary.Some might say the debate is neverending
I’m about as happy as you can be with my pedalboard setup but a Betgantino Preamp pedal would make me try and see if it would be better than the Broughton Messenger I’ve used the last year. I never use a amp anymore unless it’s a rare small gig where the FOH isn’t good.
That’s the other thing for me as well. I rarely use a cab any more. The occasional jazz quartet gig. Don’t really need an 800 watt amp and 212 cab. I like the idea of having all my stuff in one pedal though. Tuner/mute, preamp, comp, drive, high and low pass filters m, a couple presets, I’d be good. I think I could give up some tweakability like choosing my eq points and stuff. I think I’d trust him to set them like they do on the Forte for example.
It's funny how we extol the virtues of our "silent rigs," showing the same setups repeatedly. Guilty (by necessity) of using a silent rig as well: HPF, compressor, and DI to FOH to IEMs as my performing (vanilla yawn) rig. Meanwhile, I just spotted a local 410 for a cheap price. To me, that is exciting, even if it is most used in my practice room, waiting for its live service just a few times a year. Never had a bass cabinet with 10s before, let alone 4 of them : )
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I have a 410 Ampeg Heritage cab and Ampeg SVT 3 Pro head that sets untouched and also have a Genzler stack that I use at home to practice with. While you yawn at packing a pedal board that honestly sounds better than either of the other 2 rigs I have , my back thanks me each time I don’t have to pack it. Out band travels a lot and play probably 10-13 gigs a month and the easy haul is A blessing. Also I’m a paying member that’s proud of my gear. It always amazes me how downright rude a bunch are on here.
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That Broughton Messenger looks like a pretty full featured preamp. Does the Khan have a tube?
- Apr 1, 2000
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- Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
The Broughton is the best preamp I’ve seen at being able to sculpt and gone tube your tone. You can set the EQ points and the HPF and LPF is really useful. The Khan is a remake of the Ampeg SVT DI pedal by the original designer Obeid Khan. He uses better parts and improved his original Ampeg design. It uses 1 12AU7 tube and sounds phenomenal.
Sorry your mentioned rigs don't sound so great to you. The "yawn vanilla" comment was mainly about my rig, and I didn't name drop, even though its great gear. It's also my personal opinion about IEM/FOH rigs in general, no matter what brands they are.
Bowing apologies if you thought you were singled out. You were not the only person above commenting on their live pedals. However, you have posted that same pedal setup (4 times?) this year in this thread alone. What's up with that?
My comments are general and based on my experience of using a FOH silent rig for the last decade, always at the mercy of subwoofer quality/volume/mix and FOH talent. I often have great tone in my IEMs (my mix), only to hear something entirely different in hi-def playback (post performance venue system), or at home in headphones/studio monitors. It's why I treasure amp and cabinets, playing through them as much as possible. I get to craft my own bass tone to my ear. My Roscoe always sounds like a Roscoe in this scenario.
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I struggle with this. I love not hauling a lot of gear. Even though a 6 pound head and 40 pound cab would probably be enough for any gig. My band is all DI/IEM as we want to have full control of sound. Roland drum kit as well. Silent stage. FOH sounds great.
Sometimes my guitar player and I think stage amps would be nice. But it does create a mix issue. And we have our own FOH guy so it’s not that.
My bass sounds great. Not like it does through an amp but it’s a sacrifice for the greater good.
Sometimes my guitar player and I think stage amps would be nice. But it does create a mix issue. And we have our own FOH guy so it’s not that.
My bass sounds great. Not like it does through an amp but it’s a sacrifice for the greater good.
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To me, these 3 quotes sum up a lot of the silent board convo. I think it depends on what each of our goals is. If you are recording, tone is 'all that matters' (an overstatement, I know). If you are playing live, a ton of variables (weight, load-in/out, size of group, crappiness of the room, FOH gear, FOH engineer, purpose of your music in that space) all come in to play. To each their own, and even THAT can be flexible. Last night, I stood in front of that 2 15" rig with my earplugs in to fill a giant, crappy, high-ceiling metal building with music while people sampled high-end beers. 10 hours later, its small amp/IEMs/FOH playing worship music. If you want a large live audience to hear your bass tone (for some strange reason), relying on FOH is probably not the ideal option, but like all 3 of you said in different ways, it's a compromise.
I'll tell you this: the one constant for me on both jobs was a Roscoe.
Yep same here. I have a few nice Bergantino cabs and class D heads but am also going ampless on all of my gigs. So it’s a difficult position, so I sell the amp gear?
Also I have a Reddi but not sure I want to carry it to my gigs. Thinking of trying to find a high quality pre/di for my pedal board.
Also I have a Reddi but not sure I want to carry it to my gigs. Thinking of trying to find a high quality pre/di for my pedal board.
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- Apr 1, 2000
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- 9,864
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- Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
I absolutely love silent stages. I use a Helix and in-ears, and would love to do that for every gig. Sadly, being a freelancer requires having an amp. But I'm doing my best to push my clients in the silent direction.
My goal is to only play live with a bass rig that moves enough air to move my bell bottom pants!
I would never be without an amp. There are times where you just need one. I have a Genzler MG350/12T-V combo that is amazing. Great sound, pretty loud and easy to carry.
I listened to and debated tube DI/preamps for weeks on scuba’s thread. I went REDDI as I liked the sound the best. When I got it I was right. Yes, it’s big. Yes, the thru is unaffected. Yeah, no preamp. But damn it looks good sitting by me, and it sounds amazing all by itself - and some Empress compression. Guys I’ve played with for decades say this is the best I’ve sounded. It and my Nano board with tuner, comp, drive and IEM box all fit in a easy to carry Pelican case.
I’ve really gotten used to IEM and I think the stuff I have now gives me a great IEM sound - and FOH. But I don’t freelance, we have the same system for church and cover band gigs, and the same sound guy. Silent stages are great for mixing and look amazing. We run a sub on stage at church for some “tactile” feedback. It helps.
The “romance” of hauling a rig again would honeymoon out pretty quickly for me I think.
My goal is to only play live with a bass rig that moves enough air to move my bell bottom pants!
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Tell me you aren’t still wearing bell bottom pants!
Is that with a tank top or a tight fitting tie-dyed tee? 
I’ve never used IEMs - I play mostly low key acoustic jazz gigs, most frequently without drums. But I am very glad that my dotage coincides with the invention of lightweight bass gear like Class D amps and neo speakers. I love my Markbass combo on both electric and upright. And I recently got a Grace Felix 2 preamp which makes it a lot easier to double on gigs and has amazing, crystal clear sound and really flexible eq and routing. It’s a great time to be a bassist!
