Roscoe Club

[Bassworship1]

Keith just sent pics of my Classic Modern Koa. Roscoe Quad coils and Nordstrand 3B-5A preamp.

 

[SteveC]

Another beauty by Keith and Co. Wish my eyes were better so I could get a job doing wiring and stuff. That might be a fun retirement job. Of course I’d have to move and leave my family and stuff so maybe not. Anyway, another beautiful bass.

 

[Pacman]

So how do you go about the "feel" aspect of playing the bass with a silent stage? Are the drums electronic? I actually love a hybrid setup in which I have Iems but also a small backline to feel what Im playing.

Depends on the gig. Most of my bands use live drums, but two of them use an e-kit. In both cases, when the PA is at performance volume, I think there's plenty of "rumble" from subs. That, and my in-ears get plenty of lows. I often bring an amp, but honestly it ends up being for everyone else, since I get plenty of what I need from the IEMs.

 

[Bassworship1]

I will say one of the most impressive Drum setups I've seen was a electric set a huge church had that was around $7500 for the set. Through their Hung seakers and subs it was massive. Bass and Drums sounded killer through it.

 

[dedpool1052]

Good to know. And I've actually got a set of Fralin P/J pickups that Keith said he would install in whatever I end up going with. And I'm not at all concerned about getting a 'real' P tone...I could care less. It's that bright, mid-scooped, throaty P/J growl that I'm after. The pickup control will never leave 50/50.

Another thing I'll mention, based on my experience.


My LG 4 standard that you've all seen, originally had a reverse Aguilar P.

Now, I asked for a light colored body, to match the color of the neck. And light weight.

However, due to the short upper horn, heavy gotoh tuners, and Hipshot aluminum B bridge, it was pretty neck divey.

In an effort to better balance the bass, I swapped the tuners for Hipshot ultralites, and the bridge for a B style in brass. Mission accomplished.

Now, the point of all that.
Before, with the aluminum bridge, the notes were pretty snappy, but there was something missing.

With the brass bridge installed, the notes suddenly filled out and had "heft".

 

[mmbongo]

Another thing I'll mention, based on my experience.


My LG 4 standard that you've all seen, originally had a reverse Aguilar P.

Now, I asked for a light colored body, to match the color of the neck. And light weight.

However, due to the short upper horn, heavy gotoh tuners, and Hipshot aluminum B bridge, it was pretty neck divey.

In an effort to better balance the bass, I swapped the tuners for Hipshot ultralites, and the bridge for a B style in brass. Mission accomplished.

Now, the point of all that.
Before, with the aluminum bridge, the notes were pretty snappy, but there was something missing.

With the brass bridge installed, the notes suddenly filled out and had "heft".

Interesting, I wouldn't have thought a bridge would make that much difference!

 

[dedpool1052]

Neither did I.

But the change was very apparent.

 

[LightGroove]

Our band has a really nice FOH system with Mains and Subs. We have a Digital Board that each member has the Mackie Fader app downloaded to our Iphones or Ipads for individual mix of our IEM mixes. Everyone has the ability to mix what they want in the in ears. We have our Acoustic drums in a drum room sound proofed at church and every band member is running through a DI bix on stage. It's one of the best house and stage setups I've ever played or heard in the audience. We've had several other churches in and around our state that have gotten us to help design and install similar setups. Honestly once you get used to a good IEM type setup where you have control over your own mux it's hard to go back to amps and wedge monitor setups IMO.

My church used a nice Aviom system for the iem mixes. I liked the control but found I needed to pull one ear out 99% of the time to get a “feel” of things including audience interaction. The drums were not contained (on going issue) so that sucked but again I found I needed to feel my bass to get into things.

 

[Nightman]

My church used a nice Aviom system for the iem mixes. I liked the control but found I needed to pull one ear out 99% of the time to get a “feel” of things including audience interaction. The drums were not contained (on going issue) so that sucked but again I found I needed to feel my bass to get into things.

I understand where you are coming from, but pulling one ear out while playing is not good for your hearing either, from what I’ve read about using IEM.
It’s best to leave both in with as low volume as possible to hear, and adjust to the change of relating to what’s going on in the music. If people are into what’s going on, including the other musicians, and you can tell, then it’s all good. I’m sure you’ll be told if you aren’t being heard or felt.
I actually feel more comfortable and more creative playing while wearing IEM and not being bombarded with a lot of sound bouncing all around. It’s like the music is cleaner and I can relate better to what I hear instead of what’s being felt.

 

[JOME77]

My church used a nice Aviom system for the iem mixes. I liked the control but found I needed to pull one ear out 99% of the time to get a “feel” of things including audience interaction. The drums were not contained (on going issue) so that sucked but again I found I needed to feel my bass to get into things.

Yeah. Pretty much what I did when I have played with IEM’s. We had floor monitors but I had to hear the click start offs.

 

[Bassworship1]

Anyone have a excellent shape set of the Roscoe Quadcoil pickups for 5 string?

 

[SteveC]

My church used a nice Aviom system for the iem mixes. I liked the control but found I needed to pull one ear out 99% of the time to get a “feel” of things including audience interaction. The drums were not contained (on going issue) so that sucked but again I found I needed to feel my bass to get into things.

You need to not do this. I don't have the link to the science behind it, but suffice it to say one in and one out is BAD for you. You need to adjust your mix, ad an ambient mic, add a sub/cab on stage for feel (but not interfere with FOH mix) etc. Try a Backbeat. There are ways to "feel" it and still use IEM's and be safe with your hearing.

 

[Pacman]

You need to not do this. I don't have the link to the science behind it, but suffice it to say one in and one out is BAD for you. You need to adjust your mix, ad an ambient mic, add a sub/cab on stage for feel (but not interfere with FOH mix) etc. Try a Backbeat. There are ways to "feel" it and still use IEM's and be safe with your hearing.

The science behind it is that if ambient noise is (say)95db and you have one ear out, you need to raise the SPL of the in-ear to above 95db in order to hear it. It's a one way ticket to hearing damage

 

[emjazz]

Keith just sent pics of my Classic Modern Koa. Roscoe Quad coils and Nordstrand 3B-5A preamp.

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I hope they make more like that. I love the classic shape with the soapbars. Great call on that.

 

[emjazz]

Another thing I'll mention, based on my experience.


My LG 4 standard that you've all seen, originally had a reverse Aguilar P.

Now, I asked for a light colored body, to match the color of the neck. And light weight.

However, due to the short upper horn, heavy gotoh tuners, and Hipshot aluminum B bridge, it was pretty neck divey.

In an effort to better balance the bass, I swapped the tuners for Hipshot ultralites, and the bridge for a B style in brass. Mission accomplished.

Now, the point of all that.
Before, with the aluminum bridge, the notes were pretty snappy, but there was something missing.

With the brass bridge installed, the notes suddenly filled out and had "heft".

I went through comparing bridge material many years ago and have only used brass since. There's less high snap for sure, and more low mid focus, which is what I prefer on both ends. Makes quite a difference.

 

[emjazz]

Keith just sent pics of my Classic Modern Koa. Roscoe Quad coils and Nordstrand 3B-5A preamp.

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As I'm looking again, these look similar to the Nordy basses that Carey used to make...the modern version with Soaps. Still has the Roscoe touch for sure. Just saying I love it. These would be great for Nashville players...or touring bass players, where they need something that looks more traditional, but play more modern, with a wider range of sounds. Just a great idea for Keith I think.

 

[JOME77]

The science behind it is that if ambient noise is (say)95db and you have one ear out, you need to raise the SPL of the in-ear to above 95db in order to hear it. It's a one way ticket to hearing damage

What!?
What did you say?
Too late Jon. I did it several times and I guess I got the ticket!

Seriously though. It does make sense. But, literally everyone that plays churches around here does it and told me to do it.

 

[Bassworship1]

What!?
What did you say?
Too late Jon. I did it several time and I guess I got the ticket!

Seriously though. It does make sense. But, literally everyone that plays churches around here does it and told me to do it.

Only problem is that the excuse of years of playing music in a full band setting and losing your hearing doesn't quite work on my wife for a excuse when I'm ignoring her lol.

 

[SteveC]

As I'm looking again, these look similar to the Nordy basses that Carey used to make...the modern version with Soaps. Still has the Roscoe touch for sure. Just saying I love it. These would be great for Nashville players...or touring bass players, where they need something that looks more traditional, but play more modern, with a wider range of sounds. Just a great idea for Keith I think.

Isn't it unfortunate that this is a thing? A "regular" Roscoe isn't all that crazy of a body shape. You do see them with some country guys. But it is nice to have the soap bar active pre option on a more traditional body. I have a Classic P so I am kind of playing a modern bass in a classic body, too.

 

[LightGroove]

I hope they make more like that. I love the classic shape with the soapbars. Great call on that.

100% agree, what a bass Shane! My only complaint would be the knob location. Seems like (what I assume) is the volume is a bit close to the neck pickup for me. I would prefer the lowest knob follow the body curve a bit and that top one be a bit more centered. Picky I know but think it would look much better.