I like gigs with amp & cabinet (Genzler) and with DI with IEM. Either way I’m more conscious about protecting my hearing and getting paid.
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Roscoe Club
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Do you still have that GBE 1200 moving air for you?My goal is to only play live with a bass rig that moves enough air to move my bell bottom pants!
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My band has also gone completely ampless- the drummer has an electric kit as well, so we too can be a silent stage.
Flying very loud airplanes, and finally getting IEMs for my flight helmet (they call them CEPs in the military but they're the same thing), and being around old deaf guys with tinnitus, made me realize that IEMs and a quiet stage are the way to go.
We still have amps for if we need them, but we even have our own small PA (that we mainly use for rehearsals when we don't want to IEM/headphone it) that would be sufficient for a small to medium bar gig.
With excellent pedal/preamp builders today we can get 90% of the sound, with 99% consistency from place to place, with less than 50% of the gear- and our monitor mix is always the same.
Flying very loud airplanes, and finally getting IEMs for my flight helmet (they call them CEPs in the military but they're the same thing), and being around old deaf guys with tinnitus, made me realize that IEMs and a quiet stage are the way to go.
We still have amps for if we need them, but we even have our own small PA (that we mainly use for rehearsals when we don't want to IEM/headphone it) that would be sufficient for a small to medium bar gig.
With excellent pedal/preamp builders today we can get 90% of the sound, with 99% consistency from place to place, with less than 50% of the gear- and our monitor mix is always the same.
Yep. Monitor mix only needs slight tweaking but not often. Our soundcheck is the fastest at the festival. We’re on and off in minutes. No kick kick kick kick kick kick Snare snare snare snare. Etc.
play a verse to be sure everything is working - FOH and IEM. Done.
Lol
No. I’ve got GB 6.2 and 2 112 GB series 2 cabs.
JohnnyR still has his though (along with 2 Berg HT322’s)!
Now that’s a real back line rig!
two 322’s and a GBE 1200 would sound massive!!!
I'm using a GK plex for the interface, EQ, and tuner. I'm using a Sushi Box Westinghouse and Space Heater for the tubiness to add to the flavor. Then various other pedals for what they're good for.
It's not cheaper by any stretch of the imagination to do it the way I do it, but it's a one trip load in.
I have a Grace Designs Alix and it's perfect. I've never been so happy with my sound.
Roscoe bass (onboard 3-band Bartolini preamp) straight to amp. Amp has it's own preamp, tube section for some warmth, and built-in hpf. Hint of compression provided by speakers, no? No preamp pedal. Bass and amp preamps are stacked as it is.
Roscoe bass to "vanilla yawn" pedalboard for FOH feed and IEM return: Onboard bass preamp to unity-gain HPF to compressor (makeup gain employed) to DI. HPF is active, and compressor is an additional boost, so these are two "preamp" pedals stacked atop the Roscoe onboard preamp.
Why use a "vanilla yawn" pedalboard? 1) Modesty is a virtue (in some beliefs). 2) Some believe that in making the best music, gadgets are unimportant, and that gadgets rarely contribute to, or enhance one's musicianship, or the spirit of the music. For example, consider Jamerson's preamp/"pedalboard" setup for his live and studio work.
Finally, because I love the sound of my Roscoe bass just as it came from the factory, I prefer to preserve it. Stacks of preamps and effects in my scenario are delusive, and not positive additions. It's just personal opinion, not dictatorial proclamation for anyone to follow or admire.
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No preamp for me. I've thought about it, but if I step back, there's nothing wrong with what I have. I have preamps in my basses, except the P but that seems to be just fine anyway as everyone thinks thats my best sounding bass, and there's a preamp on the FOH but I am almost always flat anyway so...trying to stay in the if it ain't broke camp and not spend or change just to spend or change.
Yeah I was really meaning a DI but I know some folks run a preamp/DI. I have a Darkglass pedal that serves both purposes but I don’t engage the preamp section of it.
Total agree with not using an out board preamp with a Roscoe (or any active bass). And I run my bass preamp fairly flat. I have used a Sadowsky and GK Plex with my passive Fenders but that was only when not using an amp.
I’ve always felt that if I’m going to pay the money for a boutique bass with a nice on board preamp why potentially decay the great sound with lots of other effects in the signal chain.
So how do you go about the "feel" aspect of playing the bass with a silent stage? Are the drums electronic? I actually love a hybrid setup in which I have Iems but also a small backline to feel what Im playing.
Our band has a really nice FOH system with Mains and Subs. We have a Digital Board that each member has the Mackie Fader app downloaded to our Iphones or Ipads for individual mix of our IEM mixes. Everyone has the ability to mix what they want in the in ears. We have our Acoustic drums in a drum room sound proofed at church and every band member is running through a DI bix on stage. It's one of the best house and stage setups I've ever played or heard in the audience. We've had several other churches in and around our state that have gotten us to help design and install similar setups. Honestly once you get used to a good IEM type setup where you have control over your own mux it's hard to go back to amps and wedge monitor setups IMO.
The current funk/dance band I’m in has the same setup and the country band I was in before was the same way. I only keep my Bergantino rig around for the sub gigs I get like Jon is talking about. I don’t miss carrying amps to gigs and if I did, I still get the occasional sub gig where I can pull out the Berg. With that said there has been the occasional gig where stuff went south with system and I wished I could have pulled out the in ears and just relied on my amp but then nothing’s perfect. Except Roscoe’s. 8^o
I agree completley. I only like this setup if you have control over what’s in your own mix.
Our drummer uses a Roland kit. Everyone is DI. The only sound on our stage is the drummer clicking as he hits his pads, the acoustic guitar for a few tunes, and the vocals of course. At church we have a sub on the stage to add some feel. The cover band is more hit and miss for "feeling" the bass and kick. I have gotten used to not having my pants leg flap from a giant cab behind me. Never was a thing for me honestly.
(We can't afford another sub for feel. We also don't always have space or a stage that would make that possible. We need to beef up our FOH subs before we do anything else.)
We also control out individual IEM mixes via an app on our iPhones. THIS IS A MUST TO MAKE THIS SET UP WORK.
I sometimes play some jazz or other small gigs where I use my amp, and it's fun to hear my bass that way, but after so many years of IEM, I really do prefer it for control, hearing protection and load in/out.
My Roscoes sound good no matter what they are going through.
The pics of cool big rigs are fun to look at though.
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