I believe mine is of 2003 vintage, and no issues with lying the strings down on the frets. I actually had to back off the action a bit, since my attack is a bit to hard for that low.
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Yeah, I mean, I can see how some folks might be a bit put off by it, but IMHO, it's no big deal... I think it just got a bit overinflated as an issue in the other thread.emjazz said:
Man, just lookin' at my LG a bit ago... I know it's a fairly generic model compared to a lot of the stuff posted here, but I just keep fallin' in love with it all over again each time I look at it or pick it up.
It was my first true boutique instrument, even tho I bought it (slightly) used. I'd never seen anything like it before up close... bought it on TB reputation ALONE. I opened the case for the first time outside on a sunny day. I had to remind myself to breathe.
Then I played it thru a decent amp... oh my... THEN I fully understood... 
In other words, Keith does fantastic work. If I had more money, a Century... yummy...
It was my first true boutique instrument, even tho I bought it (slightly) used. I'd never seen anything like it before up close... bought it on TB reputation ALONE. I opened the case for the first time outside on a sunny day. I had to remind myself to breathe.
Then I played it thru a decent amp... oh my... THEN I fully understood... In other words, Keith does fantastic work. If I had more money, a Century... yummy...
Gard said:Date of employment, for the record: May 2, 2005.
Man, if shimming a bolt on neck to achieve ultra-low action is an "extensive aftermarket" modification, well.....
I've had to do this to so many bolt on necks over the years from Fender to Fodera that it's just a non-issue to me. We do make every attempt to set the action as low as reasonably possible before it leaves the shop. Keith is primarily a guitarist, and actually I end up asking him to bump the action UP more often than anything else, because with my ham-handed bassist's techinque, it just gets buzzy to me.
Further, we haven't changed our bridge design, and I AGREE with Keith, it makes total sense to me. There are far too many negatives to having the saddles sitting at the top of their excursion, and too many positives to have it very low if not sitting ON the bridge plate for it to be a "design flaw". I understand that there may be a difference in philosophy, and that's fine, but calling it a "flaw" is pretty silly. That said, we are trying to be more conscious of leaving a bit of room below the saddle to allow for those that have a more extreme idea of what "low action" is.
Oh and, no knock on the Zon, but guess what, I shimmed the neck in my Zon, and didn't in my Roscoe!Folks, bolt on necks are NOT perfect every time, no builder that does them is 100% perfect in my experience, from Azola to Zon (and yes, I do know what I'm talking about, after 5 years at Bass Central).
+1
.....and for what it's worth, I haven't worked at Bass Central for 5 years but I have done most of the guitar/bass repair in the middle Ga. area for the last 23 years. So I do know a little!
If shimming a bolt on neck to achieve ultra-low action is an "extensive aftermarket" modification, what would you call shimming the entire bridge or even worse recessing the bridge on a neck thru (which I've had to do a few times to obtain decent action)? Give me a bolt on neck and a piece of sand paper any day!
Hey Joe. I love that post.JOME77 said:+1
.....and for what it's worth, I haven't worked at Bass Central for 5 years but I have done most of the guitar/bass repair in the middle Ga. area for the last 23 years. So I do know a little!
If shimming a bolt on neck to achieve ultra-low action is an "extensive aftermarket" modification, what would you call shimming the entire bridge or even worse recessing the bridge on a neck thru (which I've had to do a few times to obtain decent action)? Give me a bolt on neck and a piece of sand paper any day!
Bob
Wolf (and others),
I understand the hassle it is to purchase an expensive instrument and the first things you have to do is modify or have some type of work done on it. You're right -- What a drag! The thing is, everyone's playing style and approach is different. My "light touch" is your "man-handling". Some like Turjillo, I like Patitucci. That's cool. Well, live and let live.
The thing I appreciate about Keith Roscoe is that he acknowledges that every player has his/her own approach to the instrument and he is willing to adjust or make amends to "get it right" for the player. I can personally attest to his willingness to bend over backwards to get a customer's order right. In my own experience, I have NOT received that kind of care from other esteemed builders.
I understand the hassle it is to purchase an expensive instrument and the first things you have to do is modify or have some type of work done on it. You're right -- What a drag! The thing is, everyone's playing style and approach is different. My "light touch" is your "man-handling". Some like Turjillo, I like Patitucci. That's cool. Well, live and let live.
The thing I appreciate about Keith Roscoe is that he acknowledges that every player has his/her own approach to the instrument and he is willing to adjust or make amends to "get it right" for the player. I can personally attest to his willingness to bend over backwards to get a customer's order right. In my own experience, I have NOT received that kind of care from other esteemed builders.
+1Basso Gruvitas said:
Thankfully, this has not been my experience. Keith, Joe Zon (x 2), Mike Tobias (x 2), Dan Lakin, and even Peavey's tech/service folks (x 2) have all been great to me in the past, as have the dealers I've gone through... SuperBass (now gone), AccessBass, Austin Bass Traders, and The Groove Shoppe. I have to say I have zero complaints.
Vic said:
Yeah, same for me. I've never had any issues with anybody, to be honest. Mike Tobias REALLY went out of the way for me, and was great about it the entire time. Same for folks like Jack Read, Dan Lakin, and the folks at Warrior.... And I can be picky and a real PIATA (in a nice way), just ask Gard (from his BC days) heheheh.
So far, working with Gard @ Roscoe and various Roscoe deals has been a great experience so far.
Sean Baumann said:
Dude, you don't even rate on the PITA-meter, trust me...I ain't namin' names, but I COULD, and be here for a while doing it...and you are not on the list, anywhere. There is a huge difference between someone knowing what they want and how to get it and someone that is a royal pain for the sheer joy of being a royal pain.
As for dealing with builders that will go "over and above the call of duty", I've personally had that from quite a few guys, most were already mentioned (Mike T, Joe Z, Dan L). The community of builders is usually very supportive of those that support them, as are the retailers.
Just figured I owe you all a great deal of gratitude -
for last night I was feeling kind of wild, and I went for it!
I shimmed my neck! One tiny strip of sandpaper, and it's
like a completely different instrument now!
No kidding - it's everything I'd hoped it would be out of the
box! I even put my TI Flats back on, and they sound so
much more aggressive with the action down low...
Much more fun than I remembered them!
So anyways, thanks again, and to those of you who were
having the same problem I was - don't be affraid! Most
necks these days have machine-screw inserts, so the whole
process is pretty much fool-proof. The difference is amazing!
I can't wait to play out with this new setup!
for last night I was feeling kind of wild, and I went for it!
I shimmed my neck! One tiny strip of sandpaper, and it's
like a completely different instrument now!
No kidding - it's everything I'd hoped it would be out of the
box! I even put my TI Flats back on, and they sound so
much more aggressive with the action down low...
Much more fun than I remembered them!
So anyways, thanks again, and to those of you who were
having the same problem I was - don't be affraid! Most
necks these days have machine-screw inserts, so the whole
process is pretty much fool-proof. The difference is amazing!
I can't wait to play out with this new setup!
Wolf said:
Wolf, thanks for not taking our comments personally, which would have been easy to do, but instead taking them as the advice they were intended to be!
Please feel free to let me know if there is ever anything we at the shop can help you with, and enjoy the bass!!!!
