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Rotator Cuff Surgery

No surgery but I had a shoulder injury that wasn't terrible, but limited my mobility. I thought I was back to normal and then started CrossFit and realized that mobility is bad in that shoulder. PT and really doing the suggested exercises both stretching and strengthening have really helped out. Mobility is almost completely back but strengthening needs to continue.
 
Had a labrum repair--not rotator cuff, but equivalent. It was on my right shoulder (picking hand) and I was back at rehearsal within a week because I could take my arm out of the sling and let it hang with no pressure on my shoulder. I'm sure if it had been my fretting shoulder I would have been out of commission longer.

The recovery process was not pleasant, especially not being able to sleep laying down for about three weeks. PT was ok, but that shoulder has never been 100 percent since and now I have arthritis in the joint. Occasional cortisone shot helps with that a lot and I don't let the general poor range of motion interfere with my life at all. I will say that I will try to avoid any future shoulder surgery at any cost.

I marvel at these professional athletes who come back from shoulder surgery with no apparent ill affect.
 
THREE rotator cuff surgeries over several decades. A right shoulder and two lefts. The right one was the worst. I was doing pushups like I did every morning back then ('90s and before). Something literally snapped and I collapsed in excruciating pain. Turns out the surgeon had to drill holes in an upper arm bone and a shoulder bone and tie me back together with some kind of laces. Took a year to totally recover from that, although I could play bass a couple months afterward.

The two left shoulder surgeries weren't as severe, but still required the sling for 6 weeks and physical therapy for a few months. After the left shoulder surgeries, I was able to play bass fairly soon (a couple weeks) after the surgeries. Even while in the sling, I could take it off for a short time while playing, then put it back on again. I did play a short-scale bass exclusively for a couple months after those left shoulder surgeries. Easier and less painful to reach the lower notes (I'm right-handed).

This pic was about a month after my last rotator cuff surgery about a year and a half ago. I'm playing a short-scale Gibson Les Paul Jr. DC. Immediately put my sling back on after playing.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I meant to tell you that the surgeon said that the fretting I'd be doing with my left hand was actually good therapy!

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I’ve had rotator cuff surgeries on each shoulder. The right one was painful, but healed fairly quickly. I had the left one done in November after trying PT and cortisone shots. This one has been much more painful and slower to heal. I had two tears, in addition to having one head of my bicep completely torn. I began playing gently after 7 weeks in the sling, and switched to short-scale 4-string from my usual long-scale fretless 5-er. I am back to gigging now.

One of my biggest problems has been swelling, pain, and stiffness in my left hand. I just wrapped up 6 weeks of therapy with a hand specialist, which was in addition to the shoulder PT. My hand is better, but still weaker and painful. The surgeon told me that hand problems like that sometimes arise, especially after the three tears he fixed. I had no hand issues with the right arm.
 
I've had 3 shoulder surgeries. The first was a minor tear, surgery was quick, with the actual procedure (once I was out) taking about 15 minutes. My understanding of that one is that the torn bit was simply trimmed off. Since there was nothing to further damage or come apart, I had no restrictions on my movement, other than significant pain, which I was told should be "pushed through". Probably 10 years later, I had more of a reconstruction on the same shoulder. I had a SLAP tear, and the LHBT (long head biceps tendon) had dislocated, which was the final straw pain-wise, that made surgery a must. It also required a cadaver graft to repair the Supraspinatus. Additionally, the biceps tendon had become too frayed to repair, so I was also given a biceps tenotomy, in which they simply cut it and let it heal back wherever it ends up. That results in what's often called a "Popeye" biceps, which is not pariticularly attractive, but what can ya do? About 3 years after that, I had basically the same exact procedure done on my left shoulder, with one difference being that the LHBT on that side had not dislocated yet and was able to be "tacked down".

So, regarding recovery time I would go with whatever your doctor is telling you as that is obviously going to vary greatly, dependent on several different factors. I am always extremely conservative when it comes to recovering from surgery. In my experience, along with the experience of several of my clients and others in the gym, even after say, being back to all activities after a couple months or whatever, it still seemed to take about a year to feel 100% back to normal. Of course, the older we get, the slower we recover.

I believe that a couple of my favorite shoulder moves (strength training) ended up contributing to my shoulder issues, along with my then non-existent stretching of the muscles I kept contracted in my right shoulder on stage every night. The strength training movements that I believe contributed significantly were medial lateral raises with slight internal rotation at the shoulder (thumb lower than pinky), and upright rows with the elbows as high as possible. My understanding is that both of these are contraindicated these days but were not back in the day. Additionally, as with @ryco I also remember throwing a baseball as hard as I could with ZERO warm up at a county fair to see what speed the radar gun showed. As soon as I let go the fingers in my right hand went painfully numb and I immediately knew I had just done something incredibly stupid. BTW, the speed was a whopping 45mph. I used to recommend the book "The Seven-Minute Rotator Cuff Solution" to my clients who also had shoulder issues. I am also a big fan of active isolated stretching.

I am of the opinion that going with only the palliative approach, whether that be Cortisone shots, acupuncture or whatever, often does more harm than anything else in the long run.

The surgeon who did my last two procedures was a super specialist who did nothing but shoulders. My advice to anyone is to always find a doc who is as specialized as possible. Give me the doc that only does one thing but does it as well as it can be done.

I also used to tell my clients "The surgery is the fix. The PT is where the healing begins." A great physical therapist is a must.
 
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One of my biggest problems has been swelling, pain, and stiffness in my left hand. I just wrapped up 6 weeks of therapy with a hand specialist, which was in addition to the shoulder PT. My hand is better, but still weaker and painful. The surgeon told me that hand problems like that sometimes arise, especially after the three tears he fixed. I had no hand issues with the right arm.
The shoulder specialist who did both of my more major procedures tested my grip strength and sent me for an EMG. He was encouraging me to get carpal tunnel release done on both hands before the shoulder surgeries. The doc who did the EMG, who is simply brilliant, told me that I needed to get the CT release done ASAP to avoid further damaging the nerves in my hands. The hand surgeon who did both procedures suggested that I had been under reporting my symptoms. My left hand had been "falling asleep" occasionally since I first began playing bass at 17. It didn't happen that much, and I just never thought it was anything to worry about.
 
Straight ahead rotor cuff repair is prolly 4-6 weeks max without lifting anything. They reattached stuff via sutures but the real cure is your body growing connective tissue over those threads. That takes time and you can rip it to shreds through use before it's strong enough to take a load.

The hard part is lifting your gear with one arm when you return, for a while.

Took a bad crash, over the handle bars on my ebike in the summer of 2022 tearing a subclavian muscle loose from it’s connective tissue. My cuff was torn too. I couldn’t sleep without waking my partner with moaning. I continued to do everything, built a 15 x 5 foot deck/walkway and sanded and water sealed a couple of stairs and decks before my surgery.

Surgery was quick and easy. Because I had that muscle-tendon injury my shoulder was immobilized in a sling for six weeks, and I couldn’t open the refrigerator door with that arm, too weak, after that. Another couple of months of physical therapy and I was as good as ever, even better now a couple years later.
 
The most common theory on pick playing is that it should all come from the wrist, with a relaxed arm, so the fact that my right arm and shoulder hurt at all after surgery indicates I'm doing something wrong. Any advice out there on how to drain stress and tension while playing with a pick?
 
Hey all,

Thanks so much for all the GREAT feedback. I'm worried and encouraged at the same time! Talked to my PT today about recovery and gearing towards range of motion what it would take to get back to playing and he's going to take care of me.

I was very vague with my question, for that I apologize. I currently and have been doing home PT with weights for the last 8 months. Playing bass with the the bands I'm in is my only outlet in life so while it's my priority and everything/only thing I enjoy doing, it's not everything. I will be very diligent and patient with my rehab.

I loved hearing many back to playing (with pain of course) in 6-8 weeks, I also noted the full arm nerve block issues. I'm going to shy away from that if the doc lets me. I appreciate all the comments and suggestions. Once I was told I had to have surgery, I knew to come here to the Bass community! You guys are great!

Thanks so much!!!
 

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