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Rumble Bass Not Repairable

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At the time, It was the only 4 OHM cab I could buy anywhere at any price new or used. I needed it because my AMP is 4 OHM. Now it is not too hard to find 4 OHM cabs. The drivers are Eminence R410 4 OHM. The cab is Rumble 410. I considered recone but that person seemed a bit scattered. The info I got was from Fender parts dept. Nearest Fender service center is over 200 miles from Austin TX. Zoober... asked "how did you manage the blow-out" Meaning what? It blew out at High volume from a 210 watt Bass amp. The cone material looks cheap. I replaced it with an Eminence BP102-4 which Fender service recommended. I understand it is not a good fit. Was not able to get performance data for the OEM R410 from Fender Parts dept so I could hopefully find something close to it.

How do I connect to The Rumble Club? Well that was a slog finding it. Will check it out.
eniac said:
I think we can do without the politics.
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That's not politics, it's reality now days. Don't care what you buy, sweeper, oven, washing machine they are all sold that way at any price point.
 
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Gervais Cote said:
Same or similar sensitivity, same impedance and same bolt pattern. Chances are you will find some.

These guys have A LOT of inventory :

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What about getting at least reasonably close to similar TS parameters? The problem is that there are very FEW choices in 4 ohm drivers, especially if you are trying to get close.

borgward said:
That's not politics, it's reality now days. Don't care what you buy, sweeper, oven, washing machine they are all sold that way at any price point.
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They are not all sold that way at any price point. Every company that I have ever worked for (and every product that have designed) in my 40+ year career is virtually 100% repairable. When the product is very inexpensive, it may not make financial sense to repair it, but I still repair just about every product that I designed going back at least 20 years. Beyond that it gets a little more difficult and expensive because of the availability of some key parts that have been discontinued.
 
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borgward said:
Warning. Blew on driver of Rumble 4 X 10 4 ohm cab. Eminence R410. Fender does not sell it. I asked Fender how do they do warranty if they do not have it. Fender said that if it is in the 2 year warranty they just replace the entire cab or combo with another one. If it's more than 2 years old you are out of luck. Eminence does not have the R410 either even though they make it in China.

I really hate the idea of unrepairable stuff. Just about everything is that way now. All brands of new cars, etc. 'That's modern Capitolism for ya' - Haruki Murakami
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Is the driver model number R410? That sounds like the model number of the cab. I bet if you pull the driver out and check it for a part number you could find one online.
 
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TFunkadelic said:
Is the driver model number R410? That sounds like the model number of the cab. I bet if you pull the driver out and check it for a part number you could find one online.
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IF you think about it, simply replacing the whole thing allows them to sell at the price point they do: No need to stock repair parts, nor train anyone to work on them. This eliminates a LOT of expense on the back end to help the MAP price on the front end.

I know often in motorcycles or cars, there may some model(s) that are huge hits in other markets that are either slow to be introduced in the US or not brought over at all, as they figure all the repair parts, compliance with all US laws, warranty costs, tech training etc. against how many they believe they can sell. If the math doesn't add up, it makes no business sense to bring over that particular model. You'd have to think they'll sell like hotcakes before you load up your parts and service network to handle it.
 
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New cars are good for 3 years, 100,000 miles. Mercedes, Ford you name it.Same for refrigerators. All brands. Several neighbors kept replacing theirs every 2 or 3 years. Our old Kenmore lasted over 30 years. You can't change the oil filter on new Toyota Tundra truck with out very expensive diagnostic tool and smartphone to take picture of image on oil filter door.
 
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borgward said:
New cars are good for 3 years, 100,000 miles. Mercedes, Ford you name it.Same for refrigerators. All brands. Several neighbors kept replacing theirs every 2 or 3 years. Our old Kenmore lasted over 30 years. You can't change the oil filter on new Toyota Tundra truck with out very expensive diagnostic tool and smartphone to take picture of image on oil filter door.
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Again, not true. I have friends with Toyotas (as an easy example) with 200k and not even a valve job. Same for one of my Scion xB’s with 190k miles on it.

You are making sweeping generalizations that are simply not true.
 
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This speaker doesn’t look like the stick speaker. There should be a red or blue Eminence label on the back plate and possibly a number like DG12-10-036 which identifies it as an Eminence DongGuang part. There may also be an FMI number, typically 6-9 digits, printed on the magnet or basket (not the number on the cone).

My data shows that it should be a 16 ohm driver too. Are they all the same? Have you verified how the cabinet is wired?

Fender may have made changes that I am unaware of, but that would be surprising IME.
 
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borgward said:
That's not politics, it's reality now days. Don't care what you buy, sweeper, oven, washing machine they are all sold that way at any price point.
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If your comment wasn't political, then why did you take a swipe at capitalism?

I'm really getting sick of people here throwing smoke bombs at a specific political system "by proxy" and then trying to squirm out of what they really meant. Seems to be happening more frequently at TB these days. To some of us, it's downright corrosive. All it's going to do, if left insufficiently-policed, is make a certain percentage of us turn our backs on this place and (quoting Lee Grant from "In the Heat of the Night") leave you to yourselves.
 
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J Wilson said:
IF you think about it, simply replacing the whole thing allows them to sell at the price point they do: No need to stock repair parts, nor train anyone to work on them. This eliminates a LOT of expense on the back end to help the MAP price on the front end.
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That’s fine for warranty repairs, but once it’s out of warranty, how much do you think they would charge to replace the entire cab….a slight discount compared to a new one is the best I’d expect.

There are definitely electronics products that are “repaired” by replacement. Much more common are those that are repaired by replacing major sub assemblies (circuit boards, power supplies, screens, etc.) rather than individual components. This has been common for many years. I first started seeing it in TV sets back in the 1980s. Because TVs are so cheap these days (at least the ones I’ve owned) if/when one dies, I buy a new one and recycle the old one.

My one and only repair of an Apple product was when the CRT monitor for a new Mac I had just bought died the first day (called infant mortality in the electronics world). Apple overnighted me a new monitor and a return shipping label. I put the old monitor into the box, attached the return label and left it outside my front door for a UPS truck to pick it up.
 
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agedhorse said:
Again, not true. I have friends with Toyotas (as an easy example) with 200k and not even a valve job. Same for one of my Scion xB’s with 190k miles on it.

You are making sweeping generalizations that are simply not true.
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You obviously haven't been keeping up with the state of NEW cars (i.e. the past year or two), which are increasingly a hot mess of insane over-tech. I expect your friend's Toyota and your Scion are many years older.

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I hate when this happens.... and it's not exclusively music gear. I have several defunct/legacy products when they go.... they're pretty much done such as Line 6 Low Down Pro 300 combo bass amp... and Vox Valvetronix guitar amp from the 00's decade. I bought a chinese-made eBike from Amazon for my wife... and there's no replacement batteries available for the eBike when the battery eventually goes south. Good functional bike, but it's pretty much a boat anchor when the battery is done. :(
 
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If you purchase with repairability as one of the criteria (this tends to come along with longer warranties), then you end up with company’s whose products are more repairable (and a company that stands behind them).
 
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agedhorse said:
Again, not true. I have friends with Toyotas (as an easy example) with 200k and not even a valve job. Same for one of my Scion xB’s with 190k miles on it.

You are making sweeping generalizations that are simply not true.
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I assume that Toyota is a few years old. The new Tundras indeed have a door under the oil filter. You have to take a picture of the OCR type image on it, Send that code to a diagnostic unit, feed that into a port on the vehicle, do something with one of the stalks on the steering column until you hear that door flop down. Most people will have to go to the dealer for the oil change. We bought several new Corollas. Excellent. The second one was good but we noticed the fit and finish was not as good. Yes Toyotas will run forever if you service them. Too bad mos people will have to wait at Toyota half a day for oil change, Go to a lube place where you don't know what's coming out of the hose or have expensive diagnostic device so you can access the filterorso you can DIY.

I do make sweeping generalization that most new cars are extremely difficult to service. I forget which car but it has the starter motor inside the bell housing. Hard to believe.
 
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agedhorse said:
This speaker doesn’t look like the stick speaker. There should be a red or blue Eminence label on the back plate and possibly a number like DG12-10-036 which identifies it as an Eminence DongGuang part. There may also be an FMI number, typically 6-9 digits, printed on the magnet or basket (not the number on the cone).

My data shows that it should be a 16 ohm driver too. Are they all the same? Have you verified how the cabinet is wired?

Fender may have made changes that I am unaware of, but that would be surprising IME.
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I bought the new cab in 2016. That's the speaker that it came with. All are the same. No Eminence label on any of them. No #'s stamped on it anywhere S1334 appears under R410. I don't know how it is wired. Fender support claims it is wired series parallel. Waiting for confirmation from Fender parts. I do remember that the harness branched off with 2 leads to 2 speakers each.
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Though we do not offer direct replacement speakers for this cab, I was able to find an appropriate replacement via the link below.
eminence.com

10 inch Eminence Bass Guitar Replacement Speaker

Recommended for professional bass guitar applications in a sealed or vented enclosure. Works well in single or multi driver designs.
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Eminence data sheet shows that to be 4 OHM.

Fender just replied - We're showing 8 ohms on these. The cab is wired in series-parallel. Unfortunately no wiring diagrams on file for the OEM products.
Makes sense that they would use 8 OHM driver and wire it differently for 4 or 8 ohm cab.

Don't know why they recommended a 4 OHM replacement.

Says 4 OHM impedance on back of cab.
 

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