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S/D-85: Tasty clippings from Corey's Box

#981
Pelham Bleu said:
Did some songwriting/jamming with the band last night. We were trying to work in a bridge on a song and couldn't get the part to feel right. I tossed out the ol' "let's go halftime here" and it seemed to fit pretty well. So the song's cruising along and then, boom, the halftime part hits and it's kinda jarring, but in a good way. I always like that effect and it's fun to play.
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We do a similar thing. I like the sudden shock of big, slow, open notes.
 
#984
Nashrakh said:
But I swear I hear a 7/4 riff in the opener, I wonder why odd time signatures aren't really popular with most bands?
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For me, it's because I'm not a very good musician. I can kind of zone of and just jam on 4/4 forever. Anything else requires me to fight against the 4/4 groove I naturally fall in to. I don't mind playing in odd time, but but for the long jam stuff that I really connect with, it's got to be slow and rhythmic 4/4.
 
#985
Nashrakh said:
Accept Death's self-titled debut is rotating in my player again and I somehow saw a review totally bashing the record. I thought it was one of the better sludge records I've listened to, really ****ed up in a good way.

Can't remember ever hearing the name on this board, though. But I swear I hear a 7/4 riff in the opener, I wonder why odd time signatures aren't really popular with most bands?
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Because odd time signatures are hard. Plain and simple. For that reason I'd recommend all bass players take a middle Eastern/north African drumming class. Best thing I've ever done in regards to inspiration.
Different feels and grooves most of which lend themselves to asymmetrical motion.
Doesn't hurt that almost all classes are associated with belly dancing somehow.
 
#986
mbelue said:
Because odd time signatures are hard. Plain and simple. For that reason I'd recommend all bass players take a middle Eastern/north African drumming class. Best thing I've ever done in regards to inspiration.
Different feels and grooves most of which lend themselves to asymmetrical motion.
Doesn't hurt that almost all classes are associated with belly dancing somehow.
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I listened to alot of Sepultura back in the day, does that count? :hiding:
 
#987
mbelue said:
Because odd time signatures are hard. Plain and simple. For that reason I'd recommend all bass players take a middle Eastern/north African drumming class. Best thing I've ever done in regards to inspiration.
Different feels and grooves most of which lend themselves to asymmetrical motion.
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I wouldn't say they're hard, just that we have internalized 4/4 so much we fall back to it instinctively. What do you do against that? Internalize the odd ones too. The best odd time stuff is where you don't plainly recognize it as such.

Never heard any non-musician complain about Floyd's 'money', at least :ninja:

Maybe it's time for yet another metal subgenre: Progressive Doom. :eek:
mbelue said:
Doesn't hurt that almost all classes are associated with belly dancing somehow.
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Just plain lol.
 
#989
Nashrakh said:
I wouldn't say they're hard, just that we have internalized 4/4 so much we fall back to it instinctively. What do you do against that? Internalize the odd ones too. The best odd time stuff is where you don't plainly recognize it as such.

Never heard any non-musician complain about Floyd's 'money', at least :ninja:

Maybe it's time for yet another metal subgenre: Progressive Doom. :eek:

Just plain lol.
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Just learned Money on bass LOL, wanted to learn a cover that the bass stood out and not in 4/4.

Just call it Post Doom then sit back and watch the genre name Police blow up over that one LOL
 
#990
Arg double post! New phone has a stutter.

But you are absolutely right about why they are hard. Most people were only taught to count in even numbered time signatures(except 3/4 maybe 5/4). I know the music a majors get more but for most people it's 4/4.
 
#992
I'm back from Las Vegas. It was mostly a lot of walking, talking shop and collecting literature. We flew in really early, did the convention all day, grabbed dinner, went to sleep, did another half day of the areas we hadn't seen yet, went to the airport, came home. Now I'm waiting for an 18 wheeler to come in, so I can load up a big job and deliver it...weeeee. Really looking forward to the weekend, hopefully I'll get to play some music at some point. No time for any practices or recording this week.

Regarding the odd time signatures thing, I think most bands in these genres don't embrace anything out of 4/4 or 6/8 too much because they're either focused on groove or intense heaviness. There are exceptions, there are prog influenced bands in lots of musical genres. I like that a lot when it's done well, but it doesn't lend itself to jamming, laid back grooves or really slow heaviness (though not necessarily, you could be heavy, slow and oddly timed). The answer "it's easier" is also pretty on point, without any judgment of quality in that.
 
#995
we'll use different time signatures often enough. 2/4, 3/4 and 5/4 mostly. sometimes it's just for a few bars in a song. i don't find it too difficult because i don't count when i play. i just kind of sing the riff in my head, once i know how the riff goes i don't really care about the count. I'd like to write something in 7/4 or 9/4 at some point, just never got around to it.
 
#996
We've got some cut time, 3/4, 5/4, 6/8... not sure if we use any of the complex ones. I'd have to really think about it. The only time I ever really think about time signatures is when the drummer has a hard time getting on the same page as me rhythmically and I have to count out the beat to give him an idea of what's going on.
 
#997
bassboysam said:
we'll use different time signatures often enough. 2/4, 3/4 and 5/4 mostly. sometimes it's just for a few bars in a song. i don't find it too difficult because i don't count when i play. i just kind of sing the riff in my head, once i know how the riff goes i don't really care about the count. I'd like to write something in 7/4 or 9/4 at some point, just never got around to it.
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Lazarus.Bird said:
We've got some cut time, 3/4, 5/4, 6/8... not sure if we use any of the complex ones. I'd have to really think about it. The only time I ever really think about time signatures is when the drummer has a hard time getting on the same page as me rhythmically and I have to count out the beat to give him an idea of what's going on.
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Pretty much exactly this.
 
#998
We don't mess with too many weird time signatures, although they end up in songs from time to time.

I don't think there is anything too outside of the norm on the new record. But we have talked about doing a doom waltz which I'd still like to do at some point.
 

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