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Sad NBD vent - Am Pro II Precision

Feb 24, 2007
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So, I've had the desire to try one for a while. Just received it yesterday, and I have some thoughts about the state it left the factory. I am not expecting perfection, and I know full well that wood is, well, wood, and there will be some inherent variation in grain, density, etc. But still - picky buyer alert.

For a start, I checked how it played, found some buzz, then set neck relief to .013" and let it sit for a few hours. Tuned to pitch and checked string height, some weird buzzing here and there. The strings weren't in the right notches on the bridge for 19mm string spacing, but looking at pictures this seems pretty common, and easy to fix. So, that was addressed.

The things that are harder to fix: A high fret around the 10th fret on the A string. Going up from .010 to .013" neck relief seems to have addressed that, but the rattle was clear and only clear at that fret (fretting 9th, 10th rattled) on that string. a very faint rock from a fret rocker there. Ok fine, .010 is technically below spec anyway, and .013 vs .012 doesn't mean that much to me - tolerable if a bit annoying at this price point.

A divot in the fretboard, parallel to the frets (so, not the grain), under the D and G strings between the 13th and 14th fret. Tool mark, maybe:
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Yes, there looks like some scoring on the fret below (towards the bridge) of the divot around the D string; easier to see in the image, not so much in they playing position. The divot it pretty easy to see. Again, this is a new bass and I don't slap or bend. These are frets I would use, however. There are a handful of shorter, shallower marks along the treble side of the fretboard that aren't as visible in the playing position as this mark is.

I could live with all that (though I bought brand new so it is annoying), but what really irks me is the A string has a nut slot cut so low there is zero clearance between the string and first fret (when fretting the third). Less than 0.005" between that and the first fret (string open) so of course it rattles like hell on the open A. Playing the open A even moderately hard rattles badly (plainly audible acoustically and through an amp). This is easy to measure and it should have been clear they cut it too deep before it left the factory. I would much rather have nut sluts too shallow than too deep.

This is a brand new instrument that requires a new nut or material added to the nut and a bit of fret work to play decently well at factory action (and it isn't like a quarter mm or so raised action will help the slot being too deep; for the record I tried setting the string height over 3mm for the A string). I haven't even looked at the body finish (at a glance it looks fine to me), but this does not seem acceptable for a premium instrument running just south of $2k, setting country aside. Yes, I can level and dress the frets, add material to the nut slot and ignore the divot; but this isn't a $500 bass. There should be no "Friday" basses at this price point. Also, why even bother to try to cut the slots for an ultra low action if the fret leveling isn't good enough to use it that way?

I'm not worried about returning it or working something out from the place I bought it from, but I am annoyed that Fender sold this to a dealer in this state. This isn't a ~$680 standard or $850 player ii, and yes I expect more at ~$1900 or so. I've seen worse, but this is still disappointing.
 
Return it. This is very typical of Fender MIM / MIA these days. Their neck geometry is all over the place. I won’t tolerate a bass that can’t do like .008 relief. I need forgiveness, not to be on the brink of buzz anytime the weather change 3 like degrees.

How’s the finishing around the nut? Does it have tinted poly all over it and a terrible finish job?

Things got real bad around 2023/4. I was not able to keep any of the three of four MIA Fenders I purchase since then. They all had bad neck geometry and finishing as you describe and could not be set up. That’s why I switched to MIJ. They always come pretty much perfect. I’ve had about 5 of them now. They pretty much come out of a clone machine, always the same as the others.
 
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IMO only: You deserve to have an instrument that is set up to be playable (with a minor truss rod adjustment) and without glaring workmanship flaws. At that price point, the nut slots and fretwork should be perfect, and that gouge in the fretboard is an immediate return if it were me. Your satisfaction should be the dealer's top priority.
 
Oh, it's going back. I am just amazed that people still argue there are no QC issues from Fender. It's comparable to the ~$800 ray34 I have, which is annoying at times but feels almost acceptable because it's light for a ray34 and it was cheap.

And, I don't mind adjusting the truss rod or saddle height one bit (though I have basses that arrived that required nothing but the truss rod, and some not even that), but the nut is very annoying at this price.

Does it have tinted poly all over it and a terrible finish job?

It does have tinted poly all over it. Checking the serial, this particular bass was made in late 2024. I suppose I could try for a made in 2026 bass, but this is the sort of thing that might just drive me to a Tokai or a Yamaha instead.
 
I feel you on your rant. Starting in 2022 I found myself on the hunt for a good #1 bass guitar after over 20 years playing in acoustic groups. I've had a number of brands and price points form $500 to over $3000 and my luck with quality has been abysmal. US Fender with a failed truss rod after 6 months (ultra Tele guitar). Rolled edges that looked like they were done by a 4 year old with a pocket knife (Am Pro II P-Bass). Warped necks. Lots of fretwork issues (Yamaha, Ibanez, Fender). Bridges not routed low enough (Spector Euro). Fender has been the worst of the bunch, but I've had duds from a number of brands.

I expect some fretwork/tweaks after an instrument settles in, but most of this stuff should have never left the factory. I share your frustration.
 
Exactly. “Retailer” not earning their markup. This is why I buy from Sweetwater.

Well, I did buy it from a large online retailer with a warehouse near Fort Wayne. I am not mad at them in this case, though, I know they will do what they need to do to make it right (which is why I bought it from them instead of someone willing to give me a lower price).

I could have caught the divot and tint on the nut if I scanned their images far more closely (I've not had to do that for other instruments), but not the nut slot depth problem.

Let's just say I've had better instruments shipped from this retailer that required far less effort from me. The question for me is if I give this manufacturer another shot or not.
 
So, I've had the desire to try one for a while. Just received it yesterday, and I have some thoughts about the state it left the factory. I am not expecting perfection, and I know full well that wood is, well, wood, and there will be some inherent variation in grain, density, etc. But still - picky buyer alert.

For a start, I checked how it played, found some buzz, then set neck relief to .013" and let it sit for a few hours. Tuned to pitch and checked string height, some weird buzzing here and there. The strings weren't in the right notches on the bridge for 19mm string spacing, but looking at pictures this seems pretty common, and easy to fix. So, that was addressed.

The things that are harder to fix: A high fret around the 10th fret on the A string. Going up from .010 to .013" neck relief seems to have addressed that, but the rattle was clear and only clear at that fret (fretting 9th, 10th rattled) on that string. a very faint rock from a fret rocker there. Ok fine, .010 is technically below spec anyway, and .013 vs .012 doesn't mean that much to me - tolerable if a bit annoying at this price point.

A divot in the fretboard, parallel to the frets (so, not the grain), under the D and G strings between the 13th and 14th fret. Tool mark, maybe:
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Yes, there looks like some scoring on the fret below (towards the bridge) of the divot around the D string; easier to see in the image, not so much in they playing position. The divot it pretty easy to see. Again, this is a new bass and I don't slap or bend. These are frets I would use, however. There are a handful of shorter, shallower marks along the treble side of the fretboard that aren't as visible in the playing position as this mark is.

I could live with all that (though I bought brand new so it is annoying), but what really irks me is the A string has a nut slot cut so low there is zero clearance between the string and first fret (when fretting the third). Less than 0.005" between that and the first fret (string open) so of course it rattles like hell on the open A. Playing the open A even moderately hard rattles badly (plainly audible acoustically and through an amp). This is easy to measure and it should have been clear they cut it too deep before it left the factory. I would much rather have nut sluts too shallow than too deep.

This is a brand new instrument that requires a new nut or material added to the nut and a bit of fret work to play decently well at factory action (and it isn't like a quarter mm or so raised action will help the slot being too deep; for the record I tried setting the string height over 3mm for the A string). I haven't even looked at the body finish (at a glance it looks fine to me), but this does not seem acceptable for a premium instrument running just south of $2k, setting country aside. Yes, I can level and dress the frets, add material to the nut slot and ignore the divot; but this isn't a $500 bass. There should be no "Friday" basses at this price point. Also, why even bother to try to cut the slots for an ultra low action if the fret leveling isn't good enough to use it that way?

I'm not worried about returning it or working something out from the place I bought it from, but I am annoyed that Fender sold this to a dealer in this state. This isn't a ~$680 standard or $850 player ii, and yes I expect more at ~$1900 or so. I've seen worse, but this is still disappointing.
Please return it for your own sake! This lack of QC is unacceptable for $1,900 or so brand new.
 
And I just demo'd a Chinese manufactured Sadowsky metro Express modern 5 the other day and the thing was incredibly impressive and not a flaw to be found on it. Keep in mind I have an NYC Sadowsky and I was amazed at how the Chinese import version performed. I'm sure they vary somewhat, but it was impressive enough that I would consider one in the future.
 
I never expect off the rack new instruments to be completely dialed in, and I can understand missing one iffy fret, but that rut in the fingerboard should have instantly hit the STOP button, especially on a $2k instrument.

Somehow Fender has never grasped that had they consistently built high quality instruments, they and their attorneys would not be adrift in a sea of Fender Shaped Objects that their haphazard QC and their indifferent process commitment has enabled.
 
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Exactly. “Retailer” not earning their markup. This is why I buy from Sweetwater.
What does the retailer have to do with it? Sweetwater has sent me all sorts of duds. Yes, it’s easy to return, but their 55 point checklist as a joke. Never once have I had them call me and say “hey guess what? We checked out the bass and actually we found some stuff that’s wrong.” Nah, instead they’ve shipped me all sorts of junk with terrible finishing problems than anybody could see in five seconds. The last thing that I bought from them was a Vintera III Precision bass with dreadful finish issues. The finish was literally peeling off of the neck. Now what’s funny is when they got it back they were able to point out all of the issues for the open box listing. I still buy for them just for the sake of being able to see the exact bass and know the weight, but if this is the type of stuff they allowed to get to the customer, I wonder if they actually are rejecting anything from fender and how bad those must be.