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Samplitude for decades... switch to...?

Sep 17, 2023
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Background....

I've been using Samplitude (originally by Sek'd, then Magix) since I purchased 4.5 way, WAY back. Paid for an upgrade to 5.13. At the time, it was the best sounding DAW available (touting their specific dithering algorithms), and I used it for many years until I tried the demo version of Samplitude Producer 11.5. While that had MANY features that I did not need, there were thing about the work flow, editing functions, and appearance, that I appeald to me, so I upgraded to that and have used it ever since.

Side info ...

I purchased Sibelius 1.5 when it came out, and upgraded to 2.0. It did everything I needed it to do, so I never upgraded further. Can't stand AVID. Discovered MuseScore (an excellent open source notation program) a few years ago and never looked back.

DAW usage ....

I record exclusively acoustic classical and jazz music. No samples, no MIDI. Most of my work is live-to-2-track location stuff that I bring home, edit, and master on the DAW. Maybe four or five times a year I do a project in my basement studio involving a sextet or septet and 12-16 simultaneous channels. The only over-dubbing I do is for the occasional fun vanity project with myself on piano, bass, drums, trumpet, violin, and harmonic, just for yucks. NON-destructive editing is mandatory, meaning the originally recorded files are left untouched when editing and processing. On-the-fly auditioning of whatever processing is being applied. The ability to listen to one already-recorded track while playing along with it and recording an additional track. When slicing/dicing, I use crossfades, fades in/out, track marking, etc. CD RedBook authoring and burning. I use extensive but subtle parametric EQ on tracks as needed, and when mastering. Subtle, tasteful, real-space-sounding hall/room ambience plugins that allow me to play with room size, dimensions, damping, reflection control/delay, etc. Compression ALMOST never. I have NO need for using samples, loops, digital instruments, or anything else contributing to the ability to "produce" music at the DAW, but as long as those functions are easily overlooked, I don't mind if they're there or not. What matters first and foremost to me is sound quality along with rock-solid reliability.

Equipment....

Currently Win10. No Macs in sight, and it'll stay that way. Not out of hatred or bias... just because I've been building PCs since PCs existed and it's what I'm familiar with. Played with Linux, and admire it, but the effort in getting up to speed on Linux DAWs dampened my enthusiasm for tackling them. Interfaces in my studio are Focusrite 18i20, for onsite and location work, two M Audio Delta1010s for at-home basement projects, and a Tascam small four channel interface for fun location quickies. Neumann, Eathworks, AKG, AT, and Shure mics in the locker, with Great River and Millenia mic pres.

Question, finally....

If you're still with me (and thank you if you are... just wanted to be as clear as possible), here's the question. I'm about to spring for a new laptop; my 2011 Gateway can't keep up with the new version of MuseScore, and it's MORE than "earned its keep" in the thirteen years it's served me. Figured it's time to maybe revisit my DAW. Anyone familiar with Samplitude Producer 11.5 and the usual method of procurement can figure why. I'll leave it at that.

So.... first... Sibelius is to MuseScore as Samplitude is to.... (fill in the blank)? I'm familiar with Audacity, and as good as it is for the price and for what it can do, it's not enough. I am NOT averse to spending even a few hundred bucks for a great program that I can use for the next decade, but my experience with Sibelius/MuseScore has convinced me that money doesn't always buy better, much less happiness, and an open source solution really appeals to me. Are there any? Anyone use OceanAudio? Is Reaper worth looking into (inexpensive, and looks pretty good based upon a few videos I've watched)? Suck it up and buy the latest version of Samplitude ProX ($199 right now)?

My "usage" is probably more inline with the folks on the DB side, but I thought there may be more tech folks here. ANY ideas, experiences, or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
The entry level version of pretty much any DAW will do what you need. Reaper has a lot of fans, and is definitely worth checking out. Tracktion Waveform is not as well known, but it has a generous free version that may be enough for your needs. Cubase and Studio One are other popularity options.
 
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Sibelius is to MuseScore as Samplitude is to....
Reaper. It’s $60, or you can take advantage of their unlimited free trial (but you should just buy it!).

I use MuseScore myself as well. It has its annoyances but you’ve gotta take the good with the bad, right?

Is Reaper worth looking into (inexpensive, and looks pretty good based upon a few videos I've watched)?
I’ve been using reaper for something like 15 years. It’s a very small program and can even be run from a usb stick if you want, for portability to studios or live recording gigs in theatres.

Reaper comes with a lot of simple but effective built-in VSTs… you really only have to buy plugins that you really want to own. I’ve participated in mix competitions where we had to exclusively use reapers default plugins and the stuff that some ppl did was radio quality good!

It’s certainly worth checking out, at the least, while you continue your search for the daw that best suits your workflow (and your wallet)
 
Revisiting this thread....

I've been in contact with Magix, seeing if they'd honor their upgrade price to someone from way back. No, but they offered me a $25 rebate, bringing the price for ProX8 to $175. I've also downloaded Reaper and installed it on a thumbdrive... looks eminently usable, but I haven't taken it for a real test drive yet. I have a new laptop arriving tomorrow.... it's time. Current laptop is a 13-year-old Gateway i3 M 370 @ 2.40GHz, dual core, upgraded to 8G RAM a while back, and 500Gb 5400rpm hard drive...and the hard drive is pretty crammed and buggy.

Anyway, in another thread asking for folks to detail what they're using for recording, there's maybe four pages of replies, and I was the only one using Samplitude. When I started using it, Samplitude and ProTools were about the only games in town (yeah, it was WAY back). Obviously, we know how that battle turned out. Is anyone else out there using ProX8, and willing to comment on strengths and weaknesses?

I really do like the flow of Samplitude; I've been using it for twenty five years, and it makes sense to me. More than willing to plunk down the $175 to continue using it, but if this new version is, like most things in the software world over long periods of time, pretty much a totally different experience and program than what I'm used to, it may not be worth it unless it truly is a big step up from Reaper or other options. Avid and ProTools aren't an option..... too much baggage with Avid for me.

Thanks again!
 
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Revisiting this thread....

I've been in contact with Magix, seeing if they'd honor their upgrade price to someone from way back. No, but they offered me a $25 rebate, bringing the price for ProX8 to $175. I've also downloaded Reaper and installed it on a thumbdrive... looks eminently usable, but I haven't taken it for a real test drive yet. I have a new laptop arriving tomorrow.... it's time. Current laptop is a 13-year-old Gateway i3 M 370 @ 2.40GHz, dual core, upgraded to 8G RAM a while back, and 500Gb 5400rpm hard drive...and the hard drive is pretty crammed and buggy.

Anyway, in another thread asking for folks to detail what they're using for recording, there's maybe four pages of replies, and I was the only one using Samplitude. When I started using it, Samplitude and ProTools were about the only games in town (yeah, it was WAY back). Obviously, we know how that battle turned out. Is anyone else out there using ProX8, and willing to comment on strengths and weaknesses?

I really do like the flow of Samplitude; I've been using it for twenty five years, and it makes sense to me. More than willing to plunk down the $175 to continue using it, but if this new version is, like most things in the software world over long periods of time, pretty much a totally different experience and program than what I'm used to, it may not be worth it unless it truly is a big step up from Reaper or other options. Avid and ProTools aren't an option..... too much baggage with Avid for me.

Thanks again!
Nowadays, nothing is really a “step up” when it comes to DAWs, imo. The biggest thing is what workflow works best for you. Some DAWs, like Studio One, have extras (Notation and out-of-the-box integration with some hardware tools) but unless that’s something you specifically need, it might be best to just try out which ever ones you’re considering and see how the flow works for you
 
OK.... new laptop arrived today. Win11Pro. DEMANDED that I setup a Microsoft account, and no obvious way to bypass. Yay. NO!!!!!! Found a way around it, but it took my old laptop and thirty minutes of internet searching, and some command line gymnastics. Microsoft should be ashamed of itself.
 
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OK.... new laptop arrived today. Win11Pro. DEMANDED that I setup a Microsoft account, and no obvious way to bypass. Yay. NO!!!!!! Found a way around it, but it took my old laptop and thirty minutes of internet searching, and some command line gymnastics. Microsoft should be ashamed of itself.
100% agreed. I too, just bought a new laptop this week and went thru the same thing. I gave up though, and just made a throwaway account to sign up with.
 
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If you strip out all of the unnecessary bloat out of Win 10/11 it works really well for DAW's, i.e. through Powershell commands.
There is so much spyware in Win 11. Everything you do gets sent 'home'
If you get rid of everything you don't need, it should be at around 1.5 to 2.0 GB of RAM at idle. :cool:
 
the workarounds are pretty well documented. it's really not worth the trouble IMO.

That is a needlessly complicated method. Basically, all you need to do is use a cmd line prompt to gain access to your network adapters and disable them, then one more command to erase any earlier attempts at setup. When you reboot, you'll see an option that wasn't there before...."I don't have Internet." Choose that and go from there. Works like a charm. Once you're up and running, use your device manager to re-enable your network adapter(s). Took a LOT longer to find the solution than it did to do it. For me, it was DEFINITELY worth the trouble. I don't pay people to profit from my activity. We all have different definitions of "bad" and "nefarious."
 
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To the OP - if you are used to Samplitude's "Object Editor" workflow there's nothing else quite like it in other DAWs. REAPER has a somewhat similar concept and some other DAWs (like Logic Pro on Mac) let you apply combinations of processing/transformations to Regions (vs. whole tracks or individual clips) but again it's not as comprehensive as Samplitude's Objects.
 

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