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SBMM SUBs..yes, it's about to become even more confusing

#161
jlepre said:
I'm not the OP, but can we please stay on topic? Please read the thread as people keep repeating points that have already been discussed.
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How are we not on topic?

It's all related.
Sorry you are not interested in everything others feel interested in prompted by the new SUBs. Comparing similar models is an important subject, as indicated by the questions raised.
 
#163
Well I got some updates from SBMM today. The SUB 4's and 5's will be available first week in September. I have heard that some of the smaller dealers are getting stock sooner.

Also I found out that the Walnut Stain will be available in the 4 string model as a GC exclusive:

Here's SBMM Quality Assurance Technician, Jason Hamel, with a new SUB Series Ray4 in WALNUT STAIN.
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#165
eccles77 said:
The Sterling basses are made in Indonesia (by Cort I believe). How can you say that they aren`t MM basses? I think Mr Ball would disagree with you on that point. On the more expensive range, the SBMM, it clearly states "Sterling by musicman" Granted they are made by an outside manufacturer but lots of comapnies do this and the profit that they make goes to Ernie Ball/MM. An OLP was liceneced copy (it stands for offically licenced product I think) and some were good and some were shocking but the SBMM are a completly different kettle of fish.
I own a Ray 34 ca and it is a fantastically well made bass and easily as good as the MM ray I owned a few years ago.
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Try doing your research before you go telling people incorrect information. The Sterling By Music Man basses are made in Indo, and are owned by a company called Praxis. They are not owned by Ernie Ball Music Man, but are licensed copies. Therefore the profit does not go to EBMM, as they are not owned by EBMM.

The EBMM Sterling basses are made in the USA, by EBMM. These are a different bass to the SBMM rays and Subs.

Ernie Ball Music Man is one company, that makes all its instruments in the USA.

Sterling By Music Man (Praxis) is a completely different company that makes licensed copies of EBMM basses in Asia. This includes the Ray34/35 and the new Subs.

The old Subs were made by EBMM in the USA.

So you therefore do not own an Ernie Ball Music Man bass. I'm sure the bass you own is good (I'd like one myself), but to say it's an EBMM is not true. Understand?
 
#166
Down_Low said:
Try doing your research before you go telling people incorrect information. The Sterling By Music Man basses are made in Indo, and are owned by a company called Praxis. They are not owned by Ernie Ball Music Man, but are licensed copies. Therefore the profit does not go to EBMM, as they are not owned by EBMM.

The EBMM Sterling basses are made in the USA, by EBMM. These are a different bass to the SBMM rays and Subs.

Ernie Ball Music Man is one company, that makes all its instruments in the USA.

Sterling By Music Man (Praxis) is a completely different company that makes licensed copies of EBMM basses in Asia. This includes the Ray34/35 and the new Subs.

The old Subs were made by EBMM in the USA.

So you therefore do not own an Ernie Ball Music Man bass. I'm sure the bass you own is good (I'd like one myself), but to say it's an EBMM is not true. Understand?
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When you get five minutes, perhaps you'd like to remove your head from your backside...
 
#168
4StringsEnough said:
When you get five minutes, perhaps you'd like to remove your head from your backside...
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Sorry, but he is right.

I don't understand the need to validate your SBMM by referencing to MusicMan...
Is there a connection? Yes.
Are they build from the same materials and same people? No.

So what?
Enjoy your bass for what it is. Forget headstock names. Who cares?
A label won't make your bass any better, or any worse.

I own a couple of EBMM basses, but also an OLP that I really like.
I played a gig last night using my very first bass: a Jazz bass copy made by a brand called Vintage. Not the best bass in The world. But it's actually nice enough. I do own a nice Fender Jazz. But I like this one too.

A Fiat is not a Ferrari despite both companies being connected. It Is ridiculous for a Fiat owner to go on about such connection. Just enjoy your very nice Fiat :-)
 
#169
tomersg said:
very nice indeed!

and this also


sound nice. gas is up. :p
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I saw that review earlier and I have to say I really liked what I saw. The "Stingrayness" is definitely there. Sounds like a nice alternative for those who don't want to spend too much money and/or prefer thin necks.
It's hard to judge sound on Youtube videos, and there are so many variables... but, it sounds promising.

I don't need yet another Stingray style bass but... I think this is very tasty.
 
#170
I wish there was so much high quality gear out at the low end I started playing guitar.

These are good times to be a music instrument buyer whether your a beginner, on a budget, or the type that likes to buy everything.
 
#171
I received my 7 lb 15 oz SUB SB4 today and I'm really impressed :bassist:

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#173
jlepre said:
Wow! Only 8 pounds? That's great!
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I was really surprised. When the UPS driver handed over the box it felt like it was empty :eek:

The bass had a nice setup with very little neck relief right out of the box. The fret work is very good and the bass takes a low setup. I lowered the strings a bit and it plays and sounds great. It reminds me of my former Big Al basses in "series" mode. It also came with truss rod and bridge tools.

I will likely buy a SUB4 too, for "Gits & Shiggles" :hiding:
 
#176
Anyway, I've been thinking of upgrading from my first bass to a Ray 34 for a while. Should I really ditch that plan and just go for the SUB? A black and maple Ray is my dream bass, and I can't afford even a used Ernie Ball. My wallet would appreciate it, and so would my hands. Trying to play RHCP on a Squier Jaguar Special isn't the best plan.

To the players who've played it, does it have a hint of neck dive at all? 7 pounds is insane. My playstyle can't deal with any sort of neck dive (classical fretting, raised right forearm), which is the biggest reason why I'm upgrading from the bass I have.
 
#179
georgestrings said:
Actually, I'm thinking about installing a series/parallel switch in both my SUBs, just for added tonal options...


- georgestrings
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I have done this.

IMO, you get 1 good sound (parallel) 2 other crap sounds (series & single). Not worth the effort.

Also as far as I can tell, the bass was originally wired in parallel, not series (contrary to what was said above).

Not sure why or how.
 
#180
Tupac said:
Well thank God for the rest of us on the consumer side!


Although I don't recall SBMM making EBMM any cheaper.
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Yea, well they dropped $600 off the original SR5 in Australia when they started all this licensing and copying of MM products.

I paid $950 for my SUB5 years ago, second hand.
Now I'm going to have to sell my SUB5 and convince the buyer that it is different to the $400 price tag on the NEW SUB basses... :o
 

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