I would ask your new permanent drummer to sit this one particular gig out because you already had a sub committed to it,I'm sure he'll understand as he wouldn't want the same thing to happen to him..
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Seriously??!!
- Thread starter christianbassguitar
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Then he should've asked me to pay him when I cancelled on him two months ago....not yesterday...if that's the case, I would gladly do so....
Again with the fabricated statute of limitations/timeline logic justification.
It's your conscience, your reputation, your soul. Proceed accordingly.
Just out of curiosity, and so I can see how much friendship and a promise are worth these days...
How much is each player making at this gig?
Which all happened back in October, for a December gig, correct? If so, I'd tell him to stuff it.
I've decided to just give him my portion from the gig and never to talk to him again....its not about the money....its about
I'm glad you asked......not a lot I can tell you that. Not even a couple hundreds....
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Geez you guys.......we're talking about a drummer that hasn't lost a dime or a moments time over this.
People that see a crack and want to exploit it like this aren't worth the time of day. There's precious little money to go around in this biz as it is and to ask for something for nothing is just plain greedy.
No, we're talking about a musician breaking a promise and going back on his word.
Darn right it's not.
So, $75.00 to clear your conscience, preserve your reputation, get someone off your back, and learn a lesson. Money well spent.
Next time someone puts unreasonable conditions on their sub availability or otherwise makes you uncomfortable with the terms, tell them NO DEAL.
Saying that you're bailing if something better comes along is not what I would call committing to a gig. Anyway, he was told three days later that they'd found a replacement. And this is two months prior to the gig. To me that = no pay.
I agree with you...its like bringing back stuff you bought from Wal-Mart 3 days after you bought it...way ahead of their 30-day return policy.
I addressed this. Please reads all my posts.
If OP didn't like the terms, he should not have agreed to them. But he did.
Artificial timeline logic.
This is another human being. You agreed to his terms. That puts you on the hook to honor them.
Maybe you thought you dodged a bullet and sub wouldn't care. You were wrong.
In this situation the request by the drummer is unreasonable and totally unjustified.
In that case, you are also saying that people can agree to the terms of a verbal agreement, and then back out when it no longer suits them.
I'll admit, OP should have stopped the bus when he heard words to the affect, "I'll sub for you unless something better comes along." That should have been an instant deal-breaker.
But it wasn't, and the verbal agreement stood as-is. And something better didn't come along for the sub. And the sub feels burned and that OP broke his promise.
I see a lot of reason there.
Given that amount of notice he has no business asking for money IMHO.
I don't know if I'd write him off as a friend but would steer clear of any professional interactions or matters that involve money.
OP wanted a dependable drummer for this gig and future gigs. Sub can learn from this by avoiding making half commitments in the future. It's bad form if you are a sub looking for gigs. You may get replaced by someone who actually wants to do it.
I am fairly certain that no one will win this argument. Both sides have valid points and it's really between the OP and the sub. If I were the sub and was told I wasn't needed for a gig that I had spent *maybe* 3 days working on (no rehearsals that I read about), that would be the end of it. It was a favor for a friend. I spent hardly any time on it and it leaves me open to find other gigs. That being said, a professional would have expected to be paid. My drummer was on retainer for some larger acts. He got paid whether they rehearsed, played a show, or did nothing. This guy doesn't sound like a professional.
