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Setup by feel?

glocke1

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Guitar player I know posted on FB about needing a setup, I replied that it's easy and he should just do it himself, and pointed him to stewmac for a couple of tools (string action gauge and feeler gauges).

Another guy chimed in and said he would set his guitar up for free, teach him how to do it and that he doesn't need any tools other than a strobe tuner as he just does it "by feel".

Does anyone here set their basses up "by feel"? I'm sure given time I could take a bass and set it up by feel along, but using tools just makes the process much faster I would think.
 
I do it by feel on my basses, but if something doesn’t quite feel or sound right, I get the tools out and take some measurements to compare things like string height and pickup height. I can’t use a universal set of measurements for everything because things like string tension and hand placement make a big difference to how low my action can go.

Generally I like my action lower than the Fender spec and my pickup height just a little bit above Fender spec. I recently discovered that pickup height makes a much bigger difference than I thought, and lowering them is quite a good idea on passive J basses, especially if you like using the back pickup. You only really discover things like that if you experiment with setups rather than just following guides.
 
Everyone measures during set up. Even the people who claim they do it by feel are measuring. But what if they don't use a rule and feeler gauges?

We measure with:
  • Our fingers.
  • Our ears.
  • Our eyes.
Antonio Stradivari was known to be able to thickness a violin top by "gauging" it with his fingers. He did not have the use of a deep throat dial caliper. It's still measuring.

Guitar and violin makers who tap tune tops are measuring with their ears.

When you "eyeball" relief, you are measuring with your eyes.

People who decide to use measuring tools during set up procedures merely arrive at the same results a little bit quicker. It doesn't make sense because it takes a minute or two (literally) to take the measurements. However, after measuring the instrument can be quickly brought to a baseline. From there it is easy and quick to make the final adjustments.

The only other difference is that someone who uses measuring tools can record the data. That makes setting up the instrument quicker the next time.

Call it what you want. Everybody measures. Everything.
 
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I always start with recommended measurements. I have done my setups for 20 years, so have no problem tweeking everything to my liking, but I have found that starting with manufacturers standard just gets me there faster.

thats pretty much where Im at...I'll get to the recommended measurements by using tools and use that as a baseline, than tweak it by feel from there.

If someone were to hand me a bass that wasn't setup, and I didn't use tools to get to that baseline it would take longer to get it to where I want it.

Setting someone else's instrument up by feel alone? I'm not sure how that would work/
 
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The only other difference is that someone who uses measuring tools can record the data. That makes setting up the instrument quicker the next time
You're right, someone like me who sets up by eyeballing and feel is indeed measuring, but I don't see how having the specific measurements written down would make a set up quicker. I get a new bass, I eyeball the set up, I tweak it by feel. If I know what the measurements are, where is the time saving? If I had measurements to go by and had to use the gauges to get there, that's just an extra step I've never needed before. I suppose it replaces the eyeballing but I don't see how that helps me.
 
You're right, someone like me who sets up by eyeballing and feel is indeed measuring, but I don't see how having the specific measurements written down would make a set up quicker. I get a new bass, I eyeball the set up, I tweak it by feel. If I know what the measurements are, where is the time saving? If I had measurements to go by and had to use the gauges to get there, that's just an extra step I've never needed before. I suppose it replaces the eyeballing but I don't see how that helps me.

There are two main benefits from taking and recording measurements. The first is establishing a baseline from which to work. The second is saving time.

Every guitar that hits the bench has a different set up. Some have the strings lying on the frets, others have enough relief that they're good for archery practice. While you can get some general ideas sighting them up the tech is starting from a different spot every time. By establishing a baseline the tech is starting from the same point.

Pick an arbitrary, but relevant and useful point. On four and five string basses I set the relief quickly to .012" and the string heights to 6/64" and 5/64" bass and treble sides respectively. You can use whatever you like. That is considered by many to be a medium low or "factory" set up. That takes about two minutes. (I've timed it. Time is money in the shop!) This is all part of the evaluation. It answers a bunch of questions.

  • Does the truss rod work correctly?
  • Does the neck need to be flexed when adjusting the rod?
  • Is the neck angle correct?
  • Where is the low point on the neck?
  • Ski jump?
If all is well, play and listen for buzzes. If it does, figure out why and fix it. If it doesn't, start to lower (or raise) the string heights according to what the player wants. If it's your guitar, do as you will to get it to where you want it.

The benefit from this method is that it is easier to evaluate each instrument starting from the same point.

When the set up is completed, the finished measurements are recorded for the instrument and the player. Now the instrument set up is specified.

The benefit of having a record of what the ideal (for the player) set up for an instrument is that you can skip the arbitrary baseline set up and simply return the instrument to the known good set up. Sometimes it will require a tweak. But sometimes you're done as soon as you put it back to the recorded specifications. Set the intonation and play.

Talk about saving time!
 
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I learned setup in a work environment, so I always measure everything. You don't have to, I guess, but I always do, and take notes, so I can reproduce it the next time. And if measured points start drifting with no evident cause, this is a good early heads up that something else might be going on that needs to be looked at.

Why wouldn't you do this? I'm truly a bit mystified. It's professionalism, these are your tools, you're a professional, right?
 
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I can set relief by sight and by tapping the string at the 7th fret. I can set action by feel and sight as well, as well as action at the nut. Of course I use a tuner for intonation. But all of this has come from experience, I would recommend anyone doing their first setups using feeler gauges
 
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I can set up my own instrument “by feel” or by measurement. However, it’s impossible for me to set up anyone else’s by feel because I cannot feel what’s right for another player. So I start with a measured setup that works for most players, then tweak it as the owner plays it until it feels right for them. Then I measure it so I can set it the same way next time.

For my own basses, I can do a setup significantly faster by measurement. I use what I call a “drop feeler” that I make to set relief. With it I can set relief in seconds because I don’t have to tweak and test and tweak and test again to get it right. One quick adjustment and it’s done.
 
Why wouldn't you do this? I'm truly a bit mystified. It's professionalism, these are your tools, you're a professional, right?

If you're doing it for yourself numbers are completely irrelevant. It is supposed to sound and feel right. So make it sound and feel right.

Too often people will see a number that is "right" and assume that means the setup is "right". They should learn to trust their ears and hands more than their eyes.

I've done setups with my eyes closed before, just to see if I could. Got the same results I would have with them open. Because it's all ears and hands.
 
I'll agree with the guys who say they can set up their own stuff by feel. I still measure because I know where I typically need to be for me and I have the tools to do it.

If I do a set up for a friend, I get it to a good average number unless I already know they play heavy or light then have them play for a while and adjust from there. Once it's good for them it is not a big idea to record those numbers for their next setup or next new instrument.
 

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