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SGD Lutherie Pickups

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#667
TapyTap said:
Speaking of 32" scale basses, does anyone here have a 32" scale bass with SGD pickups installed? The Neo P samples sounded so good at this scale length...
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There are a few short scale basses with my pickups.

TB'er loopee ordered a set of ND3 Wide humbuckers to go into a custom short scale bass. She posted a review back on page 19 of this thread:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f38/sgd-lutherie-pickups-358989/index19.html

I had to look for that post, and had forgotten that this thread got started back in 2007!

Here's the bass that the Neo P was tested in:

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It's an alder body (actually started its life as a '74 P bass), and maple/walnut neck, with ebony fretboard, and carbon graphite reinforcement. The P pickup is where it would be on a long scale bass, and what I did was make the 1st fret as the nut. So it's like the bass has a capo on the first fret and was then tuned down a half step.
 
#669
Darkstrike said:
Couldn't you use four string shells, like Nordstrand do, just with the coils aligned suitably?

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Yes, I can do that as long as they are in standard size P bass shells. Those look like the same shells I use.

With the blades, would it make the A string too powerful, passing over both coils?
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Probably, but I haven't tried it.
 
#670
Darkstrike said:
With the blades, would it make the A string too powerful, passing over both coils?
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The thing that'd concern me the most is that if the B, E, D and G strings are all sensed by only one coil each, but the A string is sensed by two coils, that A string is going to have some phase cancellation effects that won't be present for the other strings.. it'll be an "odd man out" tonally compared to the other strings.
 
#671
4StringTheorist said:
The thing that'd concern me the most is that if the B, E, D and G strings are all sensed by only one coil each, but the A string is sensed by two coils, that A string is going to have some phase cancellation effects that won't be present for the other strings.. it'll be an "odd man out" tonally compared to the other strings.
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The thing to remember here is with this pickup, each string is sensed by two coils, since each half is its own humbucker.

So in series or parallel mode there is no phase cancelation between each half of the pickup.

In "single coil" mode, it's a standard split pickup, and you will have that gap.
 
#672
SGD Lutherie said:
The thing to remember here is with this pickup, each string is sensed by two coils, since each half is its own humbucker.

So in series or parallel mode there is no phase cancelation between each half of the pickup.
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Ahh. I made no assumptions about the pair of P pickup shells being or not being humbuckers individually. I was thinking though that the A string was going to be sensed by coils from both of the pickup shells rather than just one, leaving it in a "blended J pickup tone vs. soloed J pickup tone" sort of situation via phase cancellation (string phase, not magnetic or electric phase) and comb filtering.
 
#673
4StringTheorist said:
Ahh. I made no assumptions about the pair of P pickup shells being or not being humbuckers individually. I was thinking though that the A string was going to be sensed by coils from both of the pickup shells rather than just one, leaving it in a "blended J pickup tone vs. soloed J pickup tone" sort of situation via phase cancellation (string phase, not magnetic or electric phase) and comb filtering.
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This pickup is set up like the Dimarzio Split P as far as having two blades per coil.

What what happen is the A would sit over both halves, and while it wouldn't phase out, it might sound different.

Also, the blades only extend as wide as a regular P, so help prevent that from happening with a 4 string. But there's no reason I can't set up one half wide and the other for two strings like the Nord.
 
#674
SGD Lutherie said:
Here's the bass that the Neo P was tested in:

mantaray.jpg


It's an alder body (actually started its life as a '74 P bass), and maple/walnut neck, with ebony fretboard, and carbon graphite reinforcement. The P pickup is where it would be on a long scale bass, and what I did was make the 1st fret as the nut. So it's like the bass has a capo on the first fret and was then tuned down a half step.
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Very cool. Thanks for the information about this bass (and the photo!), it really helps.
 
#675
By the way, I wanted to mention to everyone that I made some changes to the way I build the pickups, which has cut build time by a significant amount.

So once I'm clear of the dozen or so orders I have in house, I'll be able to get them out the door much faster than in the past. And even these are half way done.

I'm striving to have orders out the door the same week I get them. :bassist:

(And Jason, your order is coming soon!) :D
 
#676
SGD Lutherie said:
By the way, I wanted to mention to everyone that I made some changes to the way I build the pickups, which has cut build time by a significant amount.

So once I'm clear of the dozen or so orders I have in house, I'll be able to get them out the door much faster than in the past. And even these are half way done.

I'm striving to have orders out the door the same week I get them. :bassist:

(And Jason, your order is coming soon!) :D
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In that case I need to get my new bass soon so I can put in my order! :bassist:
 
#677
SGD Lutherie said:
By the way, I wanted to mention to everyone that I made some changes to the way I build the pickups, which has cut build time by a significant amount.

So once I'm clear of the dozen or so orders I have in house, I'll be able to get them out the door much faster than in the past. And even these are half way done.

I'm striving to have orders out the door the same week I get them. :bassist:

(And Jason, your order is coming soon!) :D
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RAD
 
#678
SGD Lutherie said:
By the way, I wanted to mention to everyone that I made some changes to the way I build the pickups, which has cut build time by a significant amount.

So once I'm clear of the dozen or so orders I have in house, I'll be able to get them out the door much faster than in the past. And even these are half way done.

I'm striving to have orders out the door the same week I get them. :bassist:

(And Jason, your order is coming soon!) :D
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That's great, David!
I'm really looking forward to hearing mine when they arrive!
 
#679
SGD Lutherie said:
That's true, but the Neo Jazzbucker in parallel sounds pretty much like it does split.

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You only get a weeny bit more top end.

Impedance wise, the Neo P is wound more like the Neo J. It's wound with thinner wire though, so the DC resistance reads higher.

But as I said, I can supply it with 8 conductors.
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David,

What is the signal path for this recording? I love the parallel mode!
 
#680
TapyTap said:
David,

What is the signal path for this recording? I love the parallel mode!
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That was the bridge pickup of a Neo Jazzbucker. It's in a passive bass with 500k controls, into a Roland VM-3100Pro digital mixer, and recorded in TC Works SparkXL audio editor.

That was on my '87 Ibanez SR-885LE which has a basswood body and maple neck. I have an aluminum Hipshot A bridge on the bass.

At this time the bass had V-V-T and the two switches.

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