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SGD Lutherie Pickups

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I AM COMPLETELY DROOLING OVER MY KEYBOARDS LISTENING TO THE NEO JAZZ BUCKERS!!!


Man that is one sound that a really friggin LOVE!

Aw, thanks man! It makes all my labors worth while. :D

Sometimes you can be too close to a project. I know what I like, but it's nice to hear others like it too.

:bassist:
 
Aw, thanks man! It makes all my labors worth while. :D

Sometimes you can be too close to a project. I know what I like, but it's nice to hear others like it too.

:bassist:

Man that's sure must be fun to be awarded for your efforts. :bassist:

I can't wait to order some because I found what sound I wanted, The Growl! :bassist:

But for the moment I am low on budget so I'll surely order some in August.

But I've got some question. On your website, the NeoJazzBuckers sample.

What position did you put them on your bass?

Was there one or two NJB?

Was the bass system active or passive?

Would it be possible to wire each coil with a On/Off switch?

I think that's all. Thanks in advance.:bassist:
 
They sound great, David.

Was it one HB, two HB's in parallel, and the other HB?

I have a TBX I'm not using from an about '90 Am Std Strat. Now I want to try it on a bass; did you change anything on yours?
 
But I've got some question. On your website, the NeoJazzBuckers sample.

What position did you put them on your bass?

Was there one or two NJB?

They were in this bass:

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(1987 Ibanez SR-885LE, basswoodbody, maple neck, Hipshot bridge)

Was the bass system active or passive?

Passive. The original two series clips (amp and DI) had a 500K blend control, but it was dirty, so I replaced with a switch. The bass had a 500K volume and tone. The tone cap was a .033.

Now the bass has a TBX tone control from an Aerodyne Jazz, because I had one laying around in my parts box.

They were recorded direct into a Roland VM-3100Pro digital mixer. The amp tone was a Fender Twin patch tweaked to sound like a bass amp.

Would it be possible to wire each coil with a On/Off switch?

Sure. They have 4 conductor (+ shield) wiring on a 5 pin quick connector. The connectors follow the EMG HZ pinout, so they are a direct swap. I follow the DiMarzio color codes for wiring (as does EMG).

So you can wire them up for series, parallel, and either single coil.
 
They sound great, David.

Was it one HB, two HB's in parallel, and the other HB?

Yes, it was neck, both and bridge, though on some clips it's in a different order. The original clips on the web site have each pickup in series, but combined in parallel.

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The parallel clip is with the two coils in the HB wired in parallel. I don't have switches on the bass yet, so I hard wired them in parallel.

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I have a TBX I'm not using from an about '90 Am Std Strat. Now I want to try it on a bass; did you change anything on yours?

The one I have was from an Aerodyne Jazz bass. It looks like the same ones from the guitars. It has a .02 cap. I thought I'd give it a try... it's actually very interesting when it's all the way off. It gives sort of a mid boost tone. And of course when it's on 10 it's pretty much bypassed. You can hear it get a little brighter.
 
The blades are flat on the top, but the magnetic field is a bit stronger in the middle to compensate for the curvature of the fingerboard.

Hi. Does your EMG 40 design share the same characteristic? I currently have the Basslines replacement in my 5-string bass, and while I really like the tone, they are just not balanced sounding. The B sounds like a freight train, the A and D are weak, and the G is a bullet between the eyes. Acoustically though, it sounds great..

thanks
 
Hi. Does your EMG 40 design share the same characteristic? I currently have the Basslines replacement in my 5-string bass, and while I really like the tone, they are just not balanced sounding. The B sounds like a freight train, the A and D are weak, and the G is a bullet between the eyes. Acoustically though, it sounds great..

thanks

Yes, all the pickups have a similar magnet structure. The basses I test them on have 16" radius fingerboards, but they should work fine with smaller and larger curvatures also.

I'm real sensitive to uneven string response, so that was something I worked on early in the development. Some of the early prototypes exhibited the outside strings being too loud, which was totally unacceptable to me.

The neo magnets aren't as large as the ceramic or alnico bar magnets you find in pickups, so it took some experimenting to find the right size and to get the field spread out evenly. So in the process I came up with this field that's a bit stronger in the middle, and it worked out great. :bassist:
 
Would it be possible to have two side by side in series, or being humbuckers already, would it get too muddy?

You mean the two Jazz units in one larger case? Yes, that's possible, and was something I plan on trying out.

That was one of the first things I did when I made the Jazz prototype... I realized they are as wide as one coil from the wide aperture pickups, so I stuck two of them in a soapbar case, just to amuse myself.

I don't know if it would be too muddy... obviously all four coils in series would be one of many combinations you could get.

I plan on trying it out as soon as I get a few other projects out of the way (like the Wal pickups clone), and I need to get my MM pickups in the works.
 
You mean the two Jazz units in one larger case? Yes, that's possible, and was something I plan on trying out.

That was one of the first things I did when I made the Jazz prototype... I realized they are as wide as one coil from the wide aperture pickups, so I stuck two of them in a soapbar case, just to amuse myself.

I don't know if it would be too muddy... obviously all four coils in series would be one of many combinations you could get.

I plan on trying it out as soon as I get a few other projects out of the way (like the Wal pickups clone), and I need to get my MM pickups in the works.

This is exactly what I ment, to make like a Fender style JJ humbucker, I've done it with regular Jazz pickups, from the way yours sound, seems like they'd be killer for it. And suit my bass well, as I'm using four string pickups for five strings.
 
This is exactly what I ment, to make like a Fender style JJ humbucker, I've done it with regular Jazz pickups, from the way yours sound, seems like they'd be killer for it. And suit my bass well, as I'm using four string pickups for five strings.

Using two single coil J pickups would be more like my regular wide aperture pickups. Using two of the Neo Jazz pickups would give you four coils to mess with. That would give you four different humbuacking combinations. Probably the most useful would be the two outside coils, and then two neighbor coils. That would give you a wide humbucker tone, and the more single coil sounding mini humbucker.
 
Using two single coil J pickups would be more like my regular wide aperture pickups. Using two of the Neo Jazz pickups would give you four coils to mess with. That would give you four different humbuacking combinations. Probably the most useful would be the two outside coils, and then two neighbor coils. That would give you a wide humbucker tone, and the more single coil sounding mini humbucker.

Now thats a sweet idea, I was just thinking of using them like two single coils, rather than using all four coils like this!:eek:
 
OK. So you've got my interest. Sound clips sound great. Next question is what's the difference between "wide" & "narrow"
thanks

Thanks.

The wide aperture pickups are my standard models. The term "wide" refers to the area of the string being sensed. In this case it's about 5/8" between blades. The narrow aperture pickups sense an area about 1/4" wide.

Wide aperture pickups have a fuller tone with a deeper low end. The narrow aperture pickups have a brighter tone with a tighter low end, and more upper mid emphasis.

The narrow models are the same internal parts are the Jazz pickups. You can think of them as mini humbuckers, where both coils fit into the space of the usual single coil. This is the same as the small humbuckers you see that fit into Strat or Tele style guitars.

After I made the J pickups I realized I could fit them in a larger case. They have a different tone, so it seemed like a nice option to offer, kind of the way EMG has the J and P styles in the soapbar cases.

Some people have been ordering a wide neck and narrow bridge set. The output levels are similar, but the wides will sound a bit louder, as they are sensing more of the string.

This will illustrate the differences between the wide and narrow pickups:

This is one of the J prototypes without the cover. The second photo is a custom order... a wide coil set that is going into a Thunderbird cover.
 

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Thanks.

The wide aperture pickups are my standard models. The term "wide" refers to the area of the string being sensed. In this case it's about 5/8" between blades. The narrow aperture pickups sense an area about 1/4" wide.

Wide aperture pickups have a fuller tone with a deeper low end. The narrow aperture pickups have a brighter tone with a tighter low end, and more upper mid emphasis.

The narrow models are the same internal parts are the Jazz pickups. You can think of them as mini humbuckers, where both coils fit into the space of the usual single coil. This is the same as the small humbuckers you see that fit into Strat or Tele style guitars.

After I made the J pickups I realized I could fit them in a larger case. They have a different tone, so it seemed like a nice option to offer, kind of the way EMG has the J and P styles in the soapbar cases.

Some people have been ordering a wide neck and narrow bridge set. The output levels are similar, but the wides will sound a bit louder, as they are sensing more of the string.
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Very cool! So I could mix and match. What would a narrow neck, and wide bridge yield as opposed to what you mentioned?
 
Very cool! So I could mix and match. What would a narrow neck, and wide bridge yield as opposed to what you mentioned?

That would give you a tighter neck tone and a fatter bridge tone. You can get an idea by listening to the individual clips.

Also I want to point out that the neck and bridge pickups are wound different. The bridge pickups are wound hotter and voiced to get a nice full tone when used solo, especially for the wide units.
 
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