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Short Scale - Gibson SG - Really??

BAG

May 5, 2014
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I absolutely love my Squier Jag SS however with my playing progressing so much, and the fact that i'm now officially addicted to bass, i've been thinking of trying some higher-end basses to see what I might like.

On a flying visit to the big smoke the other day I first tried a full scale P bass. I like the higher tension of the E string but everything else made me like my SS even more so i'm thinking I need to try some other short scale basses.

The only one I could get my hands on that wasn't a budget bass was a Gibson SG. Now, to be fair it obviously wasn't a top-of-the-line SG being a bit over $1000 Oz dollars (marked down from $1400 or so) but was a 120th anniversary special.

First impression, the neck felt very wide to me. The jag is 1.5" the SG 1.695" but the SG felt even wider. Didn't like it at all. I know that this is purely a subjective thing and some people love it. Each to their own.

The thing that really struck me though was that the fret dressing was woeful. Basically every fret was poking out from both sides of the neck and running my hand up either side of the neck i was feeling sharp ends all the way up and down. My $250 Squier Jag SS has a better finished fret job.

If it really felt good to play and then sounded good it would still have most likely been a deal breaker as there's no way i'm going to spend $1000 on something that then needs work done. It also makes me think what else have they not done as well as they should have. I'm gobsmacked that they would put out an anniversary edition instrument that was not really built as well as I would expect from the Gibson reputation.

So, what else is out there that might be good in the Short Scale range. It seems that there is budget basses and then the higher end ones are usually in the stratospheric price range. I'm starting to think that i'm better off buying something lower-end and then mod it to taste. As long as the neck is well made and fitted (like my Jag) then everything else can possibly be improved upon. My only other criteria is a horn with strap button that is around the 12th fret to avoid neck dive.
 
Too bad you got a bunk SG. I love mine, but the neck and fretwork are very good.

Mustangs were mentioned, of those there are two different pickup options. I have the pawn shop version and love it.

There is a Short scale and a medium scale club here. Both would be a good place to check out what else is available
 
I know what you're saying about the fret dressing. I've got an SG faded and my edges have always been a bit sharp and I've never been able to set that bass without buzz. I still love it, but one of these days I need to make the time to get some fret work done.

Otherwise, it's a good bass. The neck would definitely feel chunky compared to your jag, side to side and also front to back. No better or worse; just fatter. The flatter radius also creates the illusion that it's even wider.

If you dig the Squier Jag, have you considered a Fender Mustang? The reissues can be had for roughly the price of the SG fadeds (the standard is more expensive due to the finish and some cosmetics), and they're suppsed to be great short scales.


***edit - oops. Looks like I'm late on the mustang suggestion lol.
 
I play the Gibson SG Std. with the 1.60" nut, and it feels fine. One way around the wider nut, is a flatter fretboard radius. The SG Std. has a 12" radius board, most Fenders use a 9.5" board.

Correct. It is much flatter and just didn't sit right with me. That's just a preference and most likely due to what I have started on and enjoy.

I'll have to try and get my hands on a Mustang to try. One problem I have is being 250km from the nearest music stores, which currently don't have any Mustangs. I've never actually seen one in the flesh and can't see myself parting with over $1000 online without playing and hearing one. I'm thinking I might have to be very patient.
The other issue I have is that every visit to the city involves running around like a blue arsed fly doing everything that needs doing and I'm usually lucky if I get more than 30 mins to spend in any guitar stores. I can see that whenever I find something that feels good and is well built, i'll probably get it no matter what it is. If the sound isn't right I can generally fix that through pup/bridge/string mods and EQ.

Too bad you got a bunk SG. I love mine, but the neck and fretwork are very good.

I certainly wasn't implying that all SG's are bad. Just this one. When I expressed my dismay at the fretwork the guy in the shop said that the Gibson basses he's been getting in have been very inconsistent in fit and finish lately. Some are brilliant, some really not good.
 
If you're happy with your Jaguar SS, maybe get another one and modify it.

About the SG - maybe you tried a not so good one. It can happen with any bass from any company.

I've got a listing of short scale basses that I copied from somewhere (maybe here).
Looks a little long to re-post it here. Anyways, there's probably more to pick from than first meets the eye.
 
I was in the same position as you - unhappy with the low end offerings, unable to afford the boutique stuff, and nothing out there in the middle price range. So I built my own Warmoth, and it's fantastic. So good I just ordered the parts to build my second.
 
Have you seen these 30" Fenders from the far-flung 1970's?

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I was in the same position as you - unhappy with the low end offerings, unable to afford the boutique stuff, and nothing out there in the middle price range. So I built my own Warmoth, and it's fantastic. So good I just ordered the parts to build my second.

I'm not the most handy but am capable of most things. How hard is it to do a good job?

Have you seen these 30" Fenders from the far-flung 1970's?

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I have seen a few of those recently on eBay. I'll have to try one even though I prefer P pups or humbuckers.
 
...I'll have to try one even though I prefer P pups or humbuckers.

One I have NOT tried but would like to is the "Precision Bass Junior," discontinued at least half a decade ago. MIM if I recall correctly.
Anyone have one? I always thought about dropping a CS P pickup into on of those babies -- might get you closer to a P tone with a short scale than anything else.
 
Too bad the sg you played was bad, I purchased the 2014 sg special off the rack 6 months ago and it was almost perfect, just a little buzz from the neck pick up that some foam rubber resolved. The Gibson and fender necks are nothing alike! I can go from my longscale fender jazz to my shortscale sg no problem, some bass players cant jump back and forth, some can?
 
The SG bass is sort of a throwback to the EB-0, EB-3. See if you can tryout an old ('60's) Gibson EB-3. They were short scale basses, but they were available in a long 34" scale. These had an "L" at the end of the model number. The EB-0 had just the mudbucker in the neck position, and the EB-3 had an added mini humbucker in the bridge position. Some models had a slotted peghead. Vintage Gibsons pop up on eBay often, and relatively cheaply compared to Fenders.
 
I have a few SS, including a SG Faded with less than perfect frets but I still love it so they are not too bad.

I gave away a SS JAG as the quality was not up to my other basses. Not horrible, but in the company of a Gretsch Bill Bo it was too noticable to overlook.

I would say for the money my Gretsch hollowbody is the best. Fantastic player and lots of tone options.

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I have a 74 mustang which I will be trading in. IMO Fender only recently started treating SS as anything other than a beginner bass.

The old Mustangs and Musicmasters are, IMO collectors, not players, so if you want Fender I would stick with the current stuff.

I bought a Rascal bass and is has the most tone range of any bass I own.

As we can see from this thread there are LOTS of SS options these days.

I am currently gassing for the new ES Les Paul. The gold top is calling my name.

Trading the 'collector' bass will help take the sting out of the price.

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