Show Me Your Bypass Loopers... Please?

[J Posega]

My Loopmaster 4 + tuner out + master bypass arrives today. I've got a general idea how I'm gonna run everything with it, but I don't know if I've got enough cables to make it happen.

I'm also on the lookout for a 1590a patch box so I can run my Bass Whammy off my board.

 

[Testing123]

I'm also on the lookout for a 1590a patch box so I can run my Bass Whammy off my board.

You mean something like this?

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[Testing123]

Subscribing .. I have not yet put a board together around my new Boss ES-8 and I'm pretty much in the same situation, pondering what to put in each loop. There are almost too many possibilities ...

@FretNoMore , well, it's been a little over a month now since I last inquired (also as a gentle nudge to the thread), so I was wondering how your ES-8 empowered board was coming.

 

[J Posega]

The current state of my board with the Loopmaster. I'm not using the tuner mute because I don't really have the space to put the tuner somewhere else on there. I'm really digging it though, makes stomping easier

 

[gregmon79]

I'm considering adding a bypass looper to my board, and am interested to see the ways fellow TB members use them.

Do you go with grouped loops (ie: fuzz loop, filter loop, modulation loop, etc) or each loop is a particular sound (octave and fuzz for synthy stuff, flanger and delay for spacey stuff)?

How many loops do you have and how many pedals do you have?

Or do you have a programmable looper? Maybe even a blender looper?

I think I could get away with 5 or 6 loops, grouped by effect type. But I change my mind every few days on the subject, and flop between that idea or just going for a programmable unit.

I know you've seen mine before. But there it is again I actually just revamped again. That's why the loops aren't labeled. But I do usually split my board into sections. I have a mute, then a bypass which is nice if I want my clean signal really fast. Then it's octave and synth > all my dirt > pitch shifting and reverb > modulation and delay > out.

All my preamps, tone shaping, wah and the freeze (or a looper when I used it there) are out of the looper. That way they always effect my signal. That third channel is used for misc stuff usually. I've had the DOD PDS 20/20 in there before because it was a major tone sucker. I've had the JTDT in there before. I put stuff there that may or may not play well with others.

I love having the bypass looper. It makes life on stage so much easier at times and makes my signal stronger and quieter. I've been using one now for about 2 or almost 3 years maybe. I could get by without it but I've gotten so used to having it, and it works for me, I figure why not use it. I think I'd be able to set my board up tighter and more cleaner looking without it too. But overall, I'm happy it's there.

 

[gregmon79]

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The current state of my board with the Loopmaster. I'm not using the tuner mute because I don't really have the space to put the tuner somewhere else on there. I'm really digging it though, makes stomping easier

Awesome!!! Love the board man. Great stuff. The looper fits right in too.

Care to share what you've got going on with those unmarked pedals?? The darth Vader too...

 

[J Posega]

Awesome!!! Love the board man. Great stuff. The looper fits right in too.

It's a tight fit! I really wanna move the Whammy off board, but I'm just gonna leave things be for at least a couple weeks. I was playing Tetris weekly for a while there.

 

[gregmon79]

It's a tight fit! I really wanna move the Whammy off board, but I'm just gonna leave things be for at least a couple weeks. I was playing Tetris weekly for a while there.

I bet man. It's a B when it gets that tight. Looks great tough. Can you take me through your pedal chain when you get a chance please?

 

[FretNoMore]

@FretNoMore , well, it's been a little over a month now since I last inquired (also as a gentle nudge to the thread), so I was wondering how your ES-8 empowered board was coming.

I'm afraid real life happened and music's been on the back burner. The ES-8 is sitting on a shelf ...

 

[Testing123]

I'm afraid real life happened and music's been on the back burner. The ES-8 is sitting on a shelf ...

Ah... been there, done that. Sorry to hear it though. Hope you'll post back when you're able to get 'er set up.

 

[J Posega]

I bet man. It's a B when it gets that tight. Looks great tough. Can you take me through your pedal chain when you get a chance please?

Dingwalls > tuner > Smoothie comp > B Wham > Loopmaster In

L1: Octabvre
L2: Barbershop > Ginger > Gunslinger
L3: Muff > Brassmaster
L4: Manta > Lunar > MS70CDR

Loopmaster Out > SA PEQ > TC BG250 1x15"

I'm thinking of ditching the SA PEQ because I honestly never use it for anything but a little clean boost. Might try to find a dirty boost to go there. Also thinking of moving my Barbershop out of the loop and using it as an always on.

 

[MGR]

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I know you've seen mine before. But there it is again I actually just revamped again. That's why the loops aren't labeled. But I do usually split my board into sections. I have a mute, then a bypass which is nice if I want my clean signal really fast. Then it's octave and synth > all my dirt > pitch shifting and reverb > modulation and delay > out.

All my preamps, tone shaping, wah and the freeze (or a looper when I used it there) are out of the looper. That way they always effect my signal. That third channel is used for misc stuff usually. I've had the DOD PDS 20/20 in there before because it was a major tone sucker. I've had the JTDT in there before. I put stuff there that may or may not play well with others.

I love having the bypass looper. It makes life on stage so much easier at times and makes my signal stronger and quieter. I've been using one now for about 2 or almost 3 years maybe. I could get by without it but I've gotten so used to having it, and it works for me, I figure why not use it. I think I'd be able to set my board up tighter and more cleaner looking without it too. But overall, I'm happy it's there.

Interesting setup Mon. I am in the middle of revamping too and am thinking about doing what you do, with multiple pedals on one loop rather than one pedal per loop.

I have an 8 looper with master bypass and a 5 looper with tuner out, so I have options to do either.

I guess my question is why, other than the large amount of pedals you have, do you choose to run multiple pedals per loop?

Or would you rather have one per loop, but just don't have a big enough looper?

 

[J Posega]

Interesting setup Mon. I am in the middle of revamping too and am thinking about doing what you do, with multiple pedals on one loop rather than one pedal per loop.

I have an 8 looper with master bypass and a 5 looper with tuner out, so I have options to do either.

I guess my question is why, other than the large amount of pedals you have, do you choose to run multiple pedals per loop?

Or would you rather have one per loop, but just don't have a big enough looper?

Theoretically, one loop per pedal doesn't make switching to different sounds any easier than stomping each individual pedal on and off.

With banks of pedals in each loop, you can turn on or off what you need for your next sound before engaging that loop.

 

[gregmon79]

Dingwalls > tuner > Smoothie comp > B Wham > Loopmaster In

L1: Octabvre
L2: Barbershop > Ginger > Gunslinger
L3: Muff > Brassmaster
L4: Manta > Lunar > MS70CDR

Loopmaster Out > SA PEQ > TC BG250 1x15"

I'm thinking of ditching the SA PEQ because I honestly never use it for anything but a little clean boost. Might try to find a dirty boost to go there. Also thinking of moving my Barbershop out of the loop and using it as an always on.

Which one is the Slinger?? God I love that pedal! I would have it on at all times if I could.

 

[gregmon79]

Interesting setup Mon. I am in the middle of revamping too and am thinking about doing what you do, with multiple pedals on one loop rather than one pedal per loop.

I have an 8 looper with master bypass and a 5 looper with tuner out, so I have options to do either.

I guess my question is why, other than the large amount of pedals you have, do you choose to run multiple pedals per loop?

Or would you rather have one per loop, but just don't have a big enough looper?

I never liked the idea of "one per loop". It sorta defeats the purpose of the looper to me. Aside from it cleaning your signal up, to me, the main purpose of a looper is so you can switch multiple pedals on/off at the same time. Mostly in a live situation for me. There are a few songs where I have to engage and or disengage 3 to 4 effects at a time. I wouldn't be able to do that if I went one loop each.

 

[J Posega]

Which one is the Slinger?? God I love that pedal! I would have it on at all times if I could.

Wow, look at that, I didn't even post the most current pic of the board. Imagine the Gunslinger crammed in between the Ginger (orange box) and the PEQ, with that whole row squished together more.

 

[MGR]

With banks of pedals in each loop, you can turn on or off what you need for your next sound before engaging that loop.

True, but my looper has the master bypass

I never liked the idea of "one per loop". It sorta defeats the purpose of the looper to me. Aside from it cleaning your signal up, to me, the main purpose of a looper is so you can switch multiple pedals on/off at the same time. Mostly in a live situation for me. There are a few songs where I have to engage and or disengage 3 to 4 effects at a time. I wouldn't be able to do that if I went one loop each.

Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. With the master bypass feature, it sort of allows you to do the same thing (engage 3 or 4 at a time), so I could keep it one pedal per loop for maximum signal clarity. But I imagine it does allow you to have just a little more flexibility your way.

 

[J Posega]

True, but my looper has the master bypass

Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. With the master bypass feature, it sort of allows you to do the same thing (engage 3 or 4 at a time), so I could keep it one pedal per loop for maximum signal clarity. But I imagine it does allow you to have just a little more flexibility your way.

Yes, mine has master bypass too. So yes, technically I could go to my clean tone with master bypass, then turn on and off what I want on or not, but that's more stomping than I find necessary. I wouldn't even use a bypass looper for as few as 5 pedals. But when your setup is more complex with several of the same kinds of FX (multiple OD's, different flavors of fuzz, several varieties of modulation) it makes more sense to use the looper to end the need for tap dancing when the next section of the song comes in.

 

[MGR]

Yes, mine has master bypass too. So yes, technically I could go to my clean tone with master bypass, then turn on and off what I want on or not, but that's more stomping than I find necessary. I wouldn't even use a bypass looper for as few as 5 pedals. But when your setup is more complex with several of the same kinds of FX (multiple OD's, different flavors of fuzz, several varieties of modulation) it makes more sense to use the looper to end the need for tap dancing when the next section of the song comes in.

Thanks man. You are definitely helping me figure out this dilemma, such as it is. You clarified something that should have been obvious to me, but wasn't. That even with a master bypass, having one pedal per loop still requires more tap dancing than necessary. I think I am going to try setting up the 8 pedals I am using now Gregmon79 and Empty Cell style, with multiple pedals per loop. I can use my 5 looper with tuner for that.

 

[Testing123]

With banks of pedals in each loop, you can turn on or off what you need for your next sound before engaging that loop.

Yes indeed. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know why I never thought of it like that before... can't see the forest for the trees, I guess.