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Show us your 3 pickup basses!

Pfft .. oh now ain't THAT a bitch! ... well fek me runnin'. This just shot my X-Bass project all to hell. It embodies everything I had hoped to accomplish. Dang.... I think I'll just toss the X-Bass in the wood chipper. Seriously! This pickup arrangment and switching logic is precisely what I have been aiming at all along.
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Flux, Buddy, don't get so down on yourself or your project!!
I surely don't have a patent on this pickup setup.!
All you need is 3 p-bass type pickups and two 3-way switches, then your ready to rock.

With your monster set-up are you planning to run the EAs and DGs into separate channels?
I had that arrangement with my 1st custom, back in the wild early 80s.
I split the P pickups' signals in halves through a beastly Ashly stereo rig.

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Flux, don't let that get you down, keep on truckin' man! Besides you already routed the crap out of that Jazz bass! lol

Hopefully the work I did to my Jag today will serve as some good inspiration.

Drilled and routed out the openings for the pickguard template:

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Cut out some pickguard material. I'm sticking with tort, and the pattern on the new material is nicer than the stock VM guard:
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Didn't take any pics when I routed the outline but heres a nice look at the bevel:
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All dressed up!
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And a quick look of how it will be once I get the pickups installed:
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Thats all for now. Next I will be routing the body to accept the new pickups and the upper control plate. I'm going to do a routing job similar to what Flux did to his jazz both to accomodate all the additional wiring as well as counteract the weight of all the additional parts.
 
Thanks for posting the in process pics of your great craftsmanship!

Flux, don't let that get you down, keep on truckin' man! Besides you already routed the crap out of that Jazz bass! lol

Hopefully the work I did to my Jag today will serve as some good inspiration.

Drilled and routed out the openings for the pickguard template:

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Cut out some pickguard material. I'm sticking with tort, and the pattern on the new material is nicer than the stock VM guard:
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Didn't take any pics when I routed the outline but heres a nice look at the bevel:
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All dressed up!
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And a quick look of how it will be once I get the pickups installed:
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Thats all for now. Next I will be routing the body to accept the new pickups and the upper control plate. I'm going to do a routing job similar to what Flux did to his jazz both to accomodate all the additional wiring as well as counteract the weight of all the additional parts.
 
Sad story Flux, but on the bright side, its really cool that you invented something so good at a young age that others wanted to copy it. You have a creative talent that a lot of folks would be very envious of.

Pfft .. oh now ain't THAT a bitch! ... well fek me runnin'. This just shot my X-Bass project all to hell. It embodies everything I had hoped to accomplish. Dang.... I think I'll just toss the X-Bass in the wood chipper. Seriously! This pickup arrangment and switching logic is precisely what I have been aiming at all along.

Y'know ... this is just another case of me thinking I had something ~cool~ going only to learn it was already developed or was in parallel development with someone that has more/better resources available (money, financial backers, machinery for prototyping, whatever). This has happened to me so many times since I was probably about 13 years old (1973). The 1st time was when I used to race BMX. This was in the time when BMX was in it's early infancy, there weren't even BMX frames available commercially. I designed and built a BMX frame from scratch, starting with a blank sheet of paper, a pencil, and a ruler. I made a prototype out of wood (2x4s and such). Then I biult the 1st proof of concept frame out of welded steel square tubing. It worked great. I raced it for an entire season, even took home 1st in points that year for the region (S.W. Arizona). The frame drew attention .. a LOT of attention .. everywhere I took the bike. I painted it "Honda Red" .. about as loud a color available at the time.

The very next season a company called "R&R" came out with a commercially made frame in mass production. Everyone that had seen my frame and knew me had something to say about how similar the R&R looked to my prototype. It was more than "similarities" ... way more. Suspiciously more. Many people had a lot to say about that situation, letters were even written to R&R about "this kid in Tucson that you stole a frame design from". The support I rec'd from local adults on the issue was very inspiring. The situation dissolved into the ether over time as BMX became a gigantic industry and "that kid in Tucson" and his frame were forgotten. I thought less and less about it, kinda like that girl who was your first kiss. Forever in memory, but of less impact on your life as time passes. Little did I know that frame was to be the first of multitudes of too little-too late efforts in my life.

Circa 1975 ....

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Story over. Whining complete.

Rippin' ass bass! I hope to see pics of the real deal when you take possession of it! My guess is that it will be an excellent addition to your musical tools. Totally cool!!

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RLK - WOW! This does not count of course until its built, but we trust that it will be. :) Please post progress and final pics if you can...and clips.

If this was a contest, I think you probably already won it.

One thing I am curious about - did you consider using big splits or split J pickups? Those could be more densely packed on the body and would also allow for a side-by-side (no offset) pairing.

I would love to do something like you did but with 3 quad coil MM or JJ pickups...or maybe 4 big splits.


Some very cool stuff on this thread!
Especially digging the Jag mod!

I just pulled the trigger with Chris Stambaugh to get a three PU project going.
A little more info here.

I thought the folks on this thread might be interested in how we're doing the PU position selection:

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Is it my imagination, or are we on this thread inspiring one another to develop imaginative new multi-pickup designs? It would not surprise me if someone from Fender engineering is watching and thinking about what might ideas might have commercial viability.


Some very cool stuff on this thread!
Especially digging the Jag mod!

I just pulled the trigger with Chris Stambaugh to get a three PU project going.
A little more info here.

I thought the folks on this thread might be interested in how we're doing the PU position selection:

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RLK - WOW! This does not count of course until its built, but we trust that it will be. :) Please post progress and final pics if you can...and clips.

If this was a contest, I think you probably already won it.

Very Kind words, thanks!
But most people on this thread are putting their own craftsmanship into it.
I'm just farming out the craftsmanship.:D

One thing I am curious about - did you consider using big splits or split J pickups? Those could be more densely packed on the body and would also allow for a side-by-side (no offset) pairing.

I would love to do something like you did but with 3 quad coil MM or JJ pickups...or maybe 4 big splits.
My thought was to have something akin to an "infinite P" where you only have one pair on at a time, but it kind of "walks" to positions all the way from the neck to the bridge.
Also we're going for a certain fun visual vibe (btw the PUs will be white on a black pearl PG).

I did have an alternative idea using 5 Mustang type PUs and switch them using two 5-way rail switches.
I suppose that switching arrangement could be done using 5 single case splits like you describe.

Someone send a note to Bootsy!:rolleyes:
 
Sad story Flux, but on the bright side, its really cool that you invented something so good at a young age that others wanted to copy it. You have a creative talent that a lot of folks would be very envious of.
Thank you very much, Steve. It's not really that ~great~ though, in fact most of my relatives kinda mock me about my ~ahem~ "talents" (my mother calls me a "tinkerbell" .... someone who tinkers on things but never really hits it big with anything. Then again she's one of those that thinks if you're playing music you automatically are trying to "make it big" and often compares one to big shot famous musicians, asking about when the "hit record" is going to come out ... odd woman). I think of myself as being like the father in the movie "Gremlins" that invents all of these screwball things that aren't really that useful. Haahaa! :) Like his "Bathroom Buddy" that had a razor, toothbrush, toothpaste dispenser, some other suchity such stuff on it. He always carried one around in his pocket and was constantly pitching the thing to anyone that would stand still long enough to listen. Haahaa! :)

I'm just highly envious of the designers and builders of the Retro Switcho bass. It's SO nicely done (or .. well.. will be when completed) and it is going to look INCREDIBLY COOL with the 50's/60's vibe and look of it. I imagine it'll sound fantastic and be super versatile as well. I think it's owner called it Infinite P ... perfect name. I love the aesthetic touches with the special shaping around the logo, the sortof Telecaster type headstock (thin and streamlined look), and the cut-out hole in the body. I've designed that same type of hole thing in my own bodies but it's never a shaped hole, it's just a round hole with radiused edges. I go for more of a "racetrack appeal" .. racebikes usually have round holes in various things to reduce weight. Even the fretboard markers, the way those were done .... that is just so nice.

Damn that Retro Switcho is just so stinkin' COOL! I can't wait to see the mental image manifested into reality. It sortof inspires me to get the X-Bass moving more forward so I can finally get the Race Bass built.....

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.... built with headless bass parts (bridge and headstock thingy). It's overall shape and detail inspired by the shapes and angles of racebikes (mainly the rear tail section) .....

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And adopting other aspects of those bikes as well like a pickguard made of aluminum with round "weight reduction" holes in it, and other details done to certain bits of hardware. Now you can see why the Big Al appeals to me so much.

I'm very envious of how well the Retro Switcho bass looks and how well it has been designed. It embodies all of the research and ideas I've been pouring into the X-Bass and it just looks SO DANGED GREAT! :)

It reminds me of BlueTalon's Rickenbacker with the P-bass pickups it has, but this bass is a little different in that it appears to have a less focused intention with greater view on versatility. If memory serves Blue Talon's Rick has a very specialized pickup wiring arrangement, very purposeful setup that involves sending the treble coils to one half of the stereo field and the bass pickups to the other side of the stereo field. I'll let him explain that in greater detail if he chooses to do so, I know he's protective of the setup (it's his right to be) so any further details should be his perogative to expose.

In any case the Retro Switcho is just a super nicely done bass with a high degree of appeal, and if the actual workmanship aligns with the excellent design (which I have no reason to doubt that it will) that is going to be one bad-ass bass. I keep envisioning it in combinations of a sortof burgundy and cream color scheme, or perhaps a sortof "the right green" with cream. With cream binding, and gold (brass?) or nickel hardware.

Wow .... good job! Woops ..... GREAT job! :)

Carry on!

(and thanks again Steve for what you said about me. I appreciate it! It was motivational. You reminded me of the thing I do for a living .. that turned out ok, at least it's feeding me.) Speaking of ~you~, it's easy to imagine what type of paramilitary-esque vibe you could put on something like this bass .... but theen again I suppose you've already done that and done it well!

Dang it .... I gotta get moving!! :hyper:
 
Mr. Doner,
Can’t know how much influence this thread has had, but the 3 pickup trend is definitely happening. Your funky cool military basses surely could have been somewhere in the back of my mind when I conjured the “Retro Switcho”.
Flux,
I’m humbled that you’re so taken with the "RS" design, but it’s at the most a variation of another bass.
The past year I discovered online the 60s Yamaha “SB-V” basses and really fell for that look. Yamaha also had a similar line of guitars.
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There was a reissue, I don’t know when these we produced:
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I didn’t trace the shape at all, but the influence is pretty obvious. The biggest difference being the lower horn. I also wanted the strap positioned further up the neck.

Even my pickguard was shaped to echo the lines of the SB 1C “banana” variant.
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The triangle cutout was meant add some visual balance to the body and further hint at the SB1C shape.

BTW there’s going to be two of the "RS" produced!
Chris Stambaugh sent the design to Max, the GM at Best Bass Gear, requesting info about the PUs.
Max immediately wanted one for himself!

They plan on making his a Teal sparkle. Not sure what P-guard they’re doing.
I was going to wait to reveal my color scheme, but you’ve been so generous with praise, what the heck:
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The orange will be metalflake. We’re going for fun and garish. Again the color was influenced by another Yamaha:

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I also want say how impressed I’ve been with your project(s) efforts.
I struggle to respond to specific elements because you put SO MUCH on the table!:)
 
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The orange will be metalflake. We’re going for fun and garish. ....
Shwinn "Orange Crate" metal flake?!?!?! ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDIN' ME?!?!?!

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Wow. Just wow. It looks like that popsicle from the 60s .. that one with the orange popsicle on the outside and the vanilla ice cream on the inside. I can hear the ice cream truck already!

As for influences, I suppose nearly everything ever made has been influenced by one thing or another. I will say that it's the way the influence is percieved and then expressed by the next designer that is what matters. The way the RS is expressing the perception of the RS designer's impression of what ~that look~ should embody is what is so well done. It isn't some blatant clone or copy of any one thing. It is a culmination of many things seen and observed that have been used to create something altogether new. That's art. That's art in design. Which in the end, is life,

The RS is an all new "life". I very much dig it.

Thank you for the compliments about my frustrated efforts at creating something I feel is useful. I've rarely been satisfied with "off the shelf" offerings be them basses, amps, FX, synths, (cars, motorcycles, tools, on and on and on). I appreciate your good mojo (as well as everyone else's) and I hope to continue to be able to provide muse and ideas for those of you who have ideas of your own.

Steve Doner and "BlueTalon" are also very creative people. Talon's ideas regarding bass design are excellent, and Doner's stuff is just my kinda cool. So it seems that Talk Bass is well stocked with very creative people, and not just "consumers" that are bent on buying the next most popular piece of ... um ... yea ... uh ... ~gear~ that the big retailers insist we must purchase.

I place non-conformity on a very tall pedestal.

Totally diggin' on the RS. (...yea ... Shwinn orange .... can it get ANY more bitchen'?).

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Tah-dah! This bass has been together for about a month now, but I finally found my camera and the time to take some (hopefully) nice shots.

Warmoth Jazz body (alder, with wenge thumbrests)
Warmoth Jazz neck (bubinga, with wenge fretboard)
Schaller tuners
Schaller bridge
Schaller strap-lock pins
Fender Super 55 split-coil humbucking pickups
Custom electronics package from Michael at [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
D'Addario rounds

And it sounds sah-weet!

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Flux, Buddy, don't get so down on yourself or your project!!
I surely don't have a patent on this pickup setup.!
All you need is 3 p-bass type pickups and two 3-way switches, then your ready to rock.

With your monster set-up are you planning to run the EAs and DGs into separate channels?
I had that arrangement with my 1st custom, back in the wild early 80s.
I split the P pickups' signals in halves through a beastly Ashly stereo rig.

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Wow, didn't see this until now. How VERY 70s! :) Seems like acrylic basses were a ~thang~ back in the day.

.....With your monster set-up are you planning to run the EAs and DGs into separate channels?

I had that arrangement with my 1st custom, back in the wild early 80s.

I split the P pickups' signals in halves through a beastly Ashly stereo rig.
No, I hadn't like specifically planned to go there. But I'm sure it is inevitable that a pickup output arrangement like that would be something I will be trying, I'll be trying many configurations as I go so I would guess EA/DG stereo splits would make it on the test list eventually.

BlueTalon did exactly that on a Rickenbacker of his he had modded at some point along the way. But I think he had three sets of P-pickups that were split L/R - EA/DG now that I recall it.

But it sure looks like there was more than one bass running around with EA/DGs on separate stereo channels!
 
Tah-dah! This bass has been together for about a month now, but I finally found my camera and the time to take some (hopefully) nice shots.

Warmoth Jazz body (alder, with wenge thumbrests)
Warmoth Jazz neck (bubinga, with wenge fretboard)
Schaller tuners
Schaller bridge
Schaller strap-lock pins
Fender Super 55 split-coil humbucking pickups
Custom electronics package from Michael at [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
D'Addario rounds

And it sounds sah-weet!

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Turned out every bit as nice as I had expected. Great bass. Nice design. Beautiful.
 
Flux, don't let that get you down, keep on truckin' man! Besides you already routed the crap out of that Jazz bass! lol

Hopefully the work I did to my Jag today will serve as some good inspiration.

Drilled and routed out the openings for the pickguard template:

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Cut out some pickguard material. I'm sticking with tort, and the pattern on the new material is nicer than the stock VM guard:
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Didn't take any pics when I routed the outline but heres a nice look at the bevel:
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All dressed up!
44999804-9aa9-4cce-bdab-00ec3e304139_zpsccc29094.gif

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And a quick look of how it will be once I get the pickups installed:
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Thats all for now. Next I will be routing the body to accept the new pickups and the upper control plate. I'm going to do a routing job similar to what Flux did to his jazz both to accomodate all the additional wiring as well as counteract the weight of all the additional parts.
Great Googly Moogly that thing is gorgeous! Hmmm .... so THAT's how you bevel a pickguard. Cool.

I have zip-clue about how I will get a pickguard done on the actual bass I'll construct when I get the testing of the X-Bass done. That J is just a working prototype to experiment with things. The data gathered from those tests will be applied to a custom bass that I'll make up later. I have no clue about the pickguard though. I've actually been thinking of having the pickup cavities "hug-routed" so the cavities conform to the pickups' shapes, and then literally spraying on a "pickguard" using black spray on pickup truck bedliner. I use the heck out of that stuff on my modular synthesizer projects (see my sig ... linked titled "X-Rig"). It's tough as the hubs of hell. So I have been thinking about masking off an area then spraying bedliner on as a "pickguard".

The other option I'm considering is aluminum. Could be quite racey looking if designed properly. Keeping in mind the "racebike" theme I may employ on the bass overall.

......Thats all for now. Next I will be routing the body to accept the new pickups and the upper control plate. I'm going to do a routing job similar to what Flux did to his jazz both to accomodate all the additional wiring as well as counteract the weight of all the additional parts.

You wanna borrow my chain saw? :cool:
 
Man, that body is gorgeous! Where did you get the Jazz pickup template?

Thanks, it's just a Squier VM Jaguar in Candy Apple Red. Its a new color available on MusiciansFriend.

The Jazz pickup template is from bestbassgear.com. It's very nice quality and a great time saver. With all the other templates I'm having to make for this, I'm thankful that I don't have to make another two for the pickups.

Great Googly Moogly that thing is gorgeous! Hmmm .... so THAT's how you bevel a pickguard. Cool.

I have zip-clue about how I will get a pickguard done on the actual bass I'll construct when I get the testing of the X-Bass done. That J is just a working prototype to experiment with things. The data gathered from those tests will be applied to a custom bass that I'll make up later. I have no clue about the pickguard though. I've actually been thinking of having the pickup cavities "hug-routed" so the cavities conform to the pickups' shapes, and then literally spraying on a "pickguard" using black spray on pickup truck bedliner. I use the heck out of that stuff on my modular synthesizer projects (see my sig ... linked titled "X-Rig"). It's tough as the hubs of hell. So I have been thinking about masking off an area then spraying bedliner on as a "pickguard".

The other option I'm considering is aluminum. Could be quite racey looking if designed properly. Keeping in mind the "racebike" theme I may employ on the bass overall.



You wanna borrow my chain saw? :cool:

Well its easier to make the body routes match the routes of the pickguard than it is to make the pickguard routes match the ones of the body. Reason being, you can lay the pickguard on the body and mark your locations. It's tricker to work from the body to the pickguard because everything is behind the guard, which you cant see through lol.

You went with a "swimming pool" route for the body, so if I were you, the next thing I would do is mock up the pickguard, and lay out the pickup locations on that. Then make your guard, that way everything lines up. You can even just make a template with cardboard or heavy card stock for now.

Keep the chainsaw away from the guard though! lol

That's one way. I use some files and sandpaper. Low tech and (at times) painfully slow, but it works.

Yup, that's usually the way I do it. I usually end up scraping away with a razor blade as well. I decided to go with making a template and beveling with a router this time though. To be honest the template is the way to go if you have the tools IMO.
 
Tah-dah! This bass has been together for about a month now, but I finally found my camera and the time to take some (hopefully) nice shots.

Warmoth Jazz body (alder, with wenge thumbrests)
Warmoth Jazz neck (bubinga, with wenge fretboard)
Schaller tuners
Schaller bridge
Schaller strap-lock pins
Fender Super 55 split-coil humbucking pickups
Custom electronics package from Michael at [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
D'Addario rounds

And it sounds sah-weet!

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That is awesome! What is your pickup spacing like?

It looks similar to my Jaguar. Mine is set up with 60's spacing bridge pickup, and the pickups are 3" apart on center.
 

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