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Show your Bill Fitzmaurice cab

#242
Another silly question from yours truly. I recently bought a Line 6 Bass POD and have been noodling around with it ever since. Suddenly the idea popped into my head that since the BF cabinet are so accurate in their reproduction of sound that they should be the ideal cabinet for a bass modeling preamp. Yes?
 
#244
pedro said:
They are both easy builds and achievable by a novice so long as you exercise patience and read the plans trough at least 5 times before starting.

On the BFD main site, there are builders listed there - you can buy a bare cab shell or one complete. Even for the same bucks you'll pay on one of these ready built, you cannot get a cab for bass that will sound as good.

But be prepared, these cabs are clear and just pure tone. Some people do not like that and realise they preferred the old distorted harmonic tones of your std 410 radiator cabs etc.

Mo
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#245
MichaelVee said:
Mo- pit gigs? As in musical theatre? If so, which of the BFM cabs do you use most often for that genre?
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Yes we have these at our church now and again. Not your traditional pit like in an opera house but close to it.

I use my DR250 for that. I love these gigs because I've got that lovely sweet bass tone right in my face.....mmmmmmmmm

Mo
 
#246
A9X said:
Mine..
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How were they performed? - I am curious
A9X said:
....Bill does nothing magical in his applications, so I stand by my opinions...... I have purchased a number of plans and I have also been designing and building high quality horn based systems for a number of years.
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So I take it then that your answer to the question "have you ever heard a BFD cabinet equiped with the designated drivers and designated piezo arrangements?" is NO
A9X said:
...... I have also been designing and building high quality horn based systems for a number of years.
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Do you have some pics of your builds. I too build horn cabs and am always interested to see other peoples' efforts/ideas.


Mo
 
#247
[[On the BFD main site, there are builders listed there - you can buy a bare cab shell or one complete. Even for the same bucks you'll pay on one of these ready built, you cannot get a cab for bass that will sound as good.

Thanks, I’ve already contacted the builder geographically closest to me and will work out an arrangement to try out several cabinets.
 
#248
Maurice Carr said:
On the BFD main site, there are builders listed there - you can buy a bare cab shell or one complete. Even for the same bucks you'll pay on one of these ready built, you cannot get a cab for bass that will sound as good.
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I looked on the forum but didn't see a list of builders.
Are there builders that have some of these in stock so that we could try them out to see which one we really like? I see that BF himself is in NH (I'm in MA) but don't know if he actually has any hanging around.:)
 
#253
Maurice Carr said:
How were they performed? - I am curious
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Previously when I had an LMS and MLSSA system in my former company. I'm awaiting new software and mic before I start doing serious measurements again. Current system is decent, but not great, ie I know it and can get consistent results out of it.

Where are YOUR measurements, not Bill's? THD and CSD would be especially revealling.

Maurice Carr said:
So I take it then that your answer to the question "have you ever heard a BFD cabinet equiped with the designated drivers and designated piezo arrangements?" is NO
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That is correct. But as I stated previously, I have purchased several plans and see NOTHING that is different from any other basic piezo implementation I've ever seen, so I stand by my previous statements. If you're going to say there is a difference, justify it.

Maurice Carr said:
Do you have some pics of your builds. I too build horn cabs and am always interested to see other peoples' efforts/ideas.
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Sure. I'll find a scanner. Only just bought a digital camera so they were taken with an SLR.

My comparisons are against a shed full of CD drivers and flares from a number of brands incl, Beyma, BMS, EV, Peavey, many JBL, Emilar, Radian, Klipsch, Yamaha etc as well as custom designs (for flares).
 
#255
⌐⌐⌐⌐ Suddenly the idea popped into my head that since the BF cabinet are so accurate in their reproduction of sound that they should be the ideal cabinet for a bass modeling preamp. Yes?
⌐⌐ Maurice? Anybody?

Yes. For modeling it makes sense to use cabs that are comparatively transparent and extended in range and power handling, compared to the lock-n-stock two-way designs that are so heavily colored that they obscure the light - obscure it like placing stained glass windows of different designs, one in front of the other, and then expecting to see anything with focus and clarity.
 
#256
A9X said:
"Where are YOUR measurements, not Bill's? THD and CSD would be especially revealling."
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I do not have any of my own tests apart from what the recommended process is that is available from Bill's site.

That's why I asked what your methods were.

I will be contracting a third party ( namely Axcent Audio ) to test my next lot of DR250 ( DeltaliteII2510 with 16 piezo crossfire array ) and O1O ( DLII2510's + 4 piezo) and a 24" wide T39 sub with 2 x BP102's. They will test 2 of each cab so to re-assure the detractors out there that these were not a fluke.

Costy yes but worth it because of the skeptics out there that are so quick to knock the BFD designs yet have never even seen one in the flesh let alone heard one.

Because of incoming orders and current limited capacity, I have trouble getting enough cabs ahead to be able to get some spares off to Axcent. When I do, rest assured you'll get to hear about the results.

Mo
 
#257
pedro said:
"Suddenly the idea popped into my head that since the BF cabinet are so accurate in their reproduction of sound that they should be the ideal cabinet for a bass modeling preamp. Yes?"
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Funny you should ask that.
I was tooling around with my multi effects unit last night to determine what was wrong with it ( Digitech BNX3 - a real lemon of a unit my one is! ).

I compared the modelling of various amps etc through the DR, Omni and then a Fender ported cab and both the Dr ( the best ) and the Omni showed the differences between the amp/cab models than the Fender.

How accurate they would be is anyone's guess but you certainly noticed the subtleties with the BFD's compared to the other.

Mo
 
#259
[[compared to the lock-n-stock two-way designs that are so heavily colored that they obscure the light - obscure it like placing stained glass windows of different designs, one in front of the other, and then expecting to see anything with focus and clarity.

Greenboy - very poetic. Bravo my friend. (pedro adding the Bass Pod to the list of things he'll take to try out the BF cabinets.)
 
#260
on a similar note, has anyone tried a BFD cab with a tube head. I think it would make sense to get a smaller tube head like the V-4BH or YBA-200, you get the clean headroom of big tube heads, the break up of small ones, and because of the cab's sensitivity, it would be loud as stink... metaphorically speaking.
 

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