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Shuttle 6.0: Tube Grind diminished - Volume Retained?

Good suggestion.

However, my bass doesnt have a volume knob (or a tone knob). I purposely put my warmoth p together that way, as I like to keep my bass ultra simple, but perhaps that is a drawback of such a design.

I think the behringer ADI21 is boosting that much because of the blend/tube emulation that it does. That's what gives it the thick sound.
 
A simple Boss volume pedal? It has a volume control on the side to set the minimum volume. you pedal down turn it off and you can set it to not go off but loose a little or a lot of volume. I used to use one to mix 2 basses (one very hot and one much quieter) live and it worke great. I think the Shuttle is too great of a head to not use it over that issue. I will do what I can to devise a simple way for you to do it.

Good suggestion.

However, my bass doesnt have a volume knob (or a tone knob). I purposely put my warmoth p together that way, as I like to keep my bass ultra simple, but perhaps that is a drawback of such a design.

I think the behringer ADI21 is boosting that much because of the blend/tube emulation that it does. That's what gives it the thick sound.
 
The one thing I haven't done since getting my shuttle is try a pick sound. But I almost never use one and since hearing Ed Friedland demo a shuttle with a pick, I figured if it worked for Ed it would work for me should the need arise.

I have found it pretty simple to go from clean to tubey but for me, I'm just taking advantage of the huge amounts of warmth that I seem to be getting from the tube rather than a great deal of grind. Everyone's needs are different though.

JKT
 
...Or you might be very happy running the Shuttle into something mega-efficient like the BFM Omni 15.

Hey, mind if I get in here? :)

I'm considering a Shuttle 6 and building an Omni 15 Tallboy (with a rack-space for it). I'm playing old-school sort of Dub Reggae, electric Blues (Cream, etc stuff), forming a Garage-Punk-ish project, and doing a light itinerate sort of gig "schedule". The small footprint and light weight would be hilarious (read: "Good"!), but would this rig fill a good sized room with nice, phat, authorative lows?

We're talking "the best of" all worlds here...
 
if youre struggling with just a fraction of the gain control, and want some more breathing room. i'd recommend a tube swap to something like a JAN Philips 5751. The tube itself has less gain, but i think the clean tone and extended physical knob 'turnage' while remaining clean on the preamp might be worth it, if you want to eek out every last drop of clean tone from a preamp tube front end. you'll be able to fine tune the gain knob a bit more while keeping the grit off the grid for another 'o'clock' or 2.

its not going to be a huge upgrade in terms of clean volume, but i recommend it because it usually is a nice upgrade in terms of clean tone, depending on what the manufacturer is using as its stock tubes.

Other than a JAN Philips 5751, I like Tung Sol 12AX7's and Ei Gold tubes, and i have been having bad experiences with EHX tubes (tone suck in the upper mids) and have yet to try enough JJ tubes to have any opinion on those.

-my 1 cent

I think thejohnkim is on the right track, the JAN 5751 may be the solution even though many think changing the tube makes little/no difference. When researching a tube for my Bassic Black, I ran across these two links, I think from TB:

http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tubes/messages/39285.html
Report from a bassist using a SWR Grand Prix preamp.
I'm not an audiophile, just a bass player. So the main thing for me (beyond mechanical reliability, which any 3-spacer 5751 will serve up in spades) is tightness in the bottom octave. Detail in that range may seem a strange subject, so let me liken the difference between these tubes and all others to the difference between MP3 and CD. The first time I taste-tested an MP3 file against a CD, I listened to an exposed low tuba passage. In the MP3, the pitch was reproduced faithfully, but that was all. On the CD, I could fairly hear each individual juicy flapping of the tubist's lips. Now there is no way that EQ or speakers or any other device can add what's not there. It can add emphasis to a certain frequency, sure, but not detail. Of course, as a Precision Bass player, I'm a fanatic about "grunt." It's the defining characteristic of the P-bass sound, and one of the reasons that audiences feel so good about the P-sound is (first among other things) the very vocal quality imparted to the bass by "grunt."

As I say, I'm not an audiophile, but there are two themes that recur in Joe S's FAQ that translate into terms useful to the bassist. The first is that of "palpability," and the second is of spaciousness of the soundstage. Because a note from an electric bass is composed of so many discrete elements, each of which must be reproduced with integrity, I think these two measuring sticks relate equally to the production of "grunt." However, the bass grunt test cuts more finely than these. While Joe notes its relative imprecision in hi-fi equipment (compared to the magic tubes), one of the tubes that made Joe's "short list," the Tung-Sol, entirely lacks the three-dimensionality I can hear in the four magic tubes. Of course, the "grunt" I'm so crazy about is probably not present on most recordings, so it may not be a crucial issue in hi-fi tubes, but if it is there, I think it would take these magic tubes to allow you to hear it.

http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/faq/joes-tubes.html#12AX7
Joe's Tube Lore - An overall review of preamp tubes, link jumps to 12AX7s.
Now when it comes to sound quality where do I begin? Well, to my ears - they ALL suck. There, I said it. Even (particularly?) the legendary Telefunkens. How can this be? Well, every 12AX7 I've ever heard has a common sonic character that's drives me to distraction. Specifically, they all sound a bit fuzzy, unfocused and hazy with a subtle sense of a soft sonic haze permeating a soundstage populated with large unfocused images. Added to this are other sonic artifacts unique to each tube.

It would make sense to me that lower overall gain tube with less "fuzzy" characteristics could be driven to a higher overall "clean" gain.

Besides (and I may be repeating myself), JAN stands for Joint Army Navy; who can resist the allure of a tube designed to withstand the rigors of use in an Inter Continental Ballistic Missile. Vibration may not be an issue for the GB Shuttle but it sure is in my Bassic Black since the amp is built into the cabinet with nothing covering the chassis.

=wr=
 
I called Genz Benz earlier this week and asked about using 12at7's in my shuttle 6. Jeff said that it would not necessarily effect the preamp tone but would produce less gain(60% less). I have some JAN 12at7's sitting around.....and I will give it a shot very soon.

BTW...Jeff said to be careful with the bracket that holds the tube.;)