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Sight Reading

Any recommendations on where I might start i.e. books or websites
I was always a fan of multi volume graded trombone method books. These can be found at school band music stores. They start at an absolute beginner level, and progress through intermediate and advanced. Publishers that print these include Hal Leonard, Alfred, KJOS, and Carl Fischer.

They insure you will cover just about every possible rhythm and key.

Here’s the category on the Woodwind Brasswind site:
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Agreed. Reading chord charts is a great skill to have, but "sight-reading" means reading notation.

"Sight reading" means reading notation and playing at tempo with proper timing the first time you look at it. Being able to read standard notation isn't even sight reading. I can sight read simple passages. I cannot sight read complicated passages....

...Likewise, if someone posted an ad looking for a bassist that could sight read, and you show up being able to sight read chord charts and tablature, you won't likely be what they are looking for.

Yeah, @James Collins has it right. If you're working with bands that regularly involve charts (in standard music notation) "sight reading" is not the same as just being able to read music. Site reading, is the ability to read music at or very near performance level. Very much a requirement for sub-ing at a pro level.

On trombone, I sub regularly, and site read very well, I've site read complex arrangements at the gig many, many times. This is very different than just being in a band and being able to read music at a rehearsal. Unfortunately, I've not nearly mastered the fretboard (yet I hope) that, even if I had the necessary finger skills too, I could even read music on bass, let alone site read a chart.

As far as learning to site read, repetitive reading of apps, charts, whatever is not going to do it. First, of course, you need to be fully capable of reading music for your instrument. Then you have to fully read (dynamics, accents, time, keys, accidentals, style, and everything along with the notes) new material regularly. Charts you've never seen, and definitely throw in charts that you don't like. And read them down like you have one shot and one shot only to record this for everyone in the world to hear.

One thing I do recommend to any adult instrumentalist that needs to read music, starting out or as a refresher, is to take a Music 1 class at your local junior college. That'll cover all the notation material you need to know, at a college level.
 
I became a true sight reader working in a big band (15 players). Each player had 2 to 3 crates of music with over 300 tunes filed by number. Band leader would call a number, you would reach down and get it on the stand, play it, then put it away. With that much music, you dont rehearse tunes, you become am expert sight reader.

Expert sight readers
- are reading one measure ahead of what they are playing
- can read any key. Key modulation in a tune is common
- see the note rhytm of a measure at a glance
- catch all the repeats and dal codas, etc
- can handle measures with different time signature
- catch all the volume dynamic and tempo markings .
- sight read an unseen tune at tempo the first time. The big band stuff is usually pretty straight forward unless its a showband arrangement and those do det rehearsed.
- dont get lost.
- have developed their reading skills so they can look at the music and hear it in their heads.
- know the trucks how to avoid screwing up
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That all said, i remember some of the guys including the BL drinking liquor hard at the rehearsals and never missing a note. Drinking was 100% forbidden at jobs.
 
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I would also recommend annotated sheet music for sight reading that tells what string and fingering to use. Depending on the scale or your bass, but most notes will occur 3 times on the fingerboard. It isn't always clear at the start of a section that you should be holding a Barre or that you should be in 10th position instead of 5th.

Last bit, some music you just cannot sight read. This video is of violinists learning a piece over a year or two. They are professional classically trained violinists. The one that actually ends up learning it has perfect pitch (I recommend looking up that video too). I like this video because you get to see their initial playthrough and the final result which is still not perfect.



I have been studying one piece of music for 2 months that I have memorized but is far from perfect. I am not professional by any means. My instructor is about 80 and so has 60 years of classical training and also cannot sight read everything. I only mention this, because people think if you practice enough you can sight read everything. There is just no way.
 
Get a book with basslines you already know. Something like Beatles basslines, or the Jamerson or Duck Dunn books. You'll have to learn what notes are where, but now you can put the written part together with how it sounds. You'll see how the dot and tie affects rhythm. That's my recommendation.
 
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Search for Sight Reading by Jim Stinnett. There are at least twelve volumes and each volume progresses from relatively easy to quite challenging. I know that Jamey Aebersold sells them and I’m sure others do as well. You don’t really need these books if you have access to a range of sheet music with bass clef that is in the style(s) you plan to play.

As suggested above, transcribing music is a fantastic tool for learning to read proficiently.
 
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I would also recommend annotated sheet music for sight reading that tells what string and fingering to use. Depending on the scale or your bass, but most notes will occur 3 times on the fingerboard. It isn't always clear at the start of a section that you should be holding a Barre or that you should be in 10th position instead of 5th.

Last bit, some music you just cannot sight read. This video is of violinists learning a piece over a year or two. They are professional classically trained violinists. The one that actually ends up learning it has perfect pitch (I recommend looking up that video too). I like this video because you get to see their initial playthrough and the final result which is still not perfect.



I have been studying one piece of music for 2 months that I have memorized but is far from perfect. I am not professional by any means. My instructor is about 80 and so has 60 years of classical training and also cannot sight read everything. I only mention this, because people think if you practice enough you can sight read everything. There is just no way.


In the industry when they expect you to sigh read, they probably refer to section musicians. What you are talking about here is how to play as a soloist and they usually do not have charts in front of them. But the orchestra does and the conductor may have some subtle changes that the section musicians must be able to cold sight-read. Soloist are not hired, they are scouted.

Musicals for examples, they will re-imagine certain songs from how it is normally played and you are expected to read the different versions cold. So if you practiced a certain version, you have to unlearn that quickly and play as the director intends to that night and it may be different from one show to another.

If you can do these things on a typical session gig:

You are given your chart. The tune is about 4 pages long. You glance at them. Immediately you know how it is sectioned out. You know the key and you know when the key may change. You will be aware that there are dynamic and temp changes. The tempo is called out. You play and execute and there are bar 67, there is a note that is not part of the key and in the next section you have to play eight note triplets. You do all this without getting lost and with the band. You are also new, do not know everyone's names and have not heard the tune before. You repeat the same process above for 30 more tunes, some you know, some re-arranged. You will not have the time to rehearse in some cases. Also as a bass player, there maybe a couple of tunes, where you have to play a solo but it is written out, not improvised by you. You have to nail that too. That is sight reading. How you get there, many things work for different people. But I think as an adult in late 3o's or 40's, it maybe too late. Not saying you can't play or be a great soloist, but musical directors may not hire you.

And yes, some people who cold sight read so well maybe absolute wrecks when asked to improvise or play with chords or jams.

This is different from being given some sheet music, you learn it, come to a rehearsals and the band probably sounds bad the first time around or have their own way of playing it. Like in Jazz combos.

Meanwhile, the sad reality is, the guy with pro-tools who uses a computer to lay out a whole backing track is thew one who Beyonce hires and even gets a grammy even when they cannot even read. And DJs get the gigs and make people dance.
 
I do a lot of big band playing and it is ALWAYS sight reading.
-If there is a set list, get all the music in order before starting the set. (showing up early has too many advantages to list)
-At first glance, note where the 1st and 2nd endings are. (beware, sometimes the 1st ending is marked out, sometimes there are 3 endings to a phrase.
-D.S. means to play from a certain point and repeat back the 'sign', know where that is. If there is D.S. more than likely there is a Coda. Find where the jump (Coda wheel) is and find where the Coda is. (D.C. means go back to the beginning of the chart)
-Check the key. Commonly the key will change, it will be marked, but... some music printing/copying styles only mark the key at the beginning of the phrase, NOT at the beginning of each line. Check that.
-Scan over the notes to find difficult rhythms, accidentals and other odd marks.
-If a musician who has previously used this part has marked something, pay attention to it.

If I've used any terms or phrases in this post that you don't understand, you aren't ready yet. Find a teacher and get some answers.
 
some suggestions -

Start simple. Don't go jumping in too deep - it will just frustrate you

I would begin with simple scales - play them and then write them out on manuscript paper. Then play the scales while looking at what you wrote down. The act of actually writing down bass parts makes them stick in your head better

Find transcriptions of bass parts you already know or can pick up by ear, first. Play it while looking at the chart.
If you have iReal Pro, you can export the music as a midi file. Do that, import that into an app that will play the midi file as a score and read it while you play along. Further you can find a lot of midi files on lines with bass parts that may or may not be right. But you can hear, learn the part, and read while playing.

Back to writing - once you have read some bass parts you already know, pick a coupe of measure to start, and write the part in a different key. Since a lot of bass parts are patterns, use your bass to find the notes you will be writing down.

Learn the read music like you read print. Learn to see phrases and hear them in your head, then play them.

Get a how to learn bass book, like Carol Kaye, which has some transcriptions in it, and look for similar rhythm patterns like 16th 18th 16th. Learn how that sounds, so that when you see it again you will hear the rhythm pattern in your head.

Learning to read a chord charts like in the Real Book or iReal Pro is a much different skill because the chords are there to give you choices of which notes to play. There are many ways to play a simple D-7 / G7 / C7. For instance, you can play D-F-A-C / G-B-D-F / C-E-G-Bb. Or, since what you are playing is a ii7 / V7 / 17, you can simply walk a C scale through all three chords. Or walk down instead of up. Or jump octave. Or don't always play the root of the chord on the downbeat by doing things like playing a different inversion of teh chords - that is instead of C-E-G for a C chord, play E-C-G. Or substitute other chords - a must to know. So you are constantly thinking of which notes to choose to play while the music is going so your line is not repetitious.
 
In the industry when they expect you to sigh read, they probably refer to section musicians. What you are talking about here is how to play as a soloist and they usually do not have charts in front of them. But the orchestra does and the conductor may have some subtle changes that the section musicians must be able to cold sight-read. Soloist are not hired, they are scouted.


And yes, some people who cold sight read so well maybe absolute wrecks when asked to improvise or play with chords or jams.

I knew this piano prodigy - she could sight read about anything, especially piano concertos. I watched her sight read the piano part, including solo, to Blue Rondo De La Turk. But she would totally freeze up if I asked her to play along with me on a 12 bar blues.
 
Any recommendations on where I might start i.e. books or websites

Try this: https://www.amazon.com/Progressive-...ords=sight+reading+bass&qid=1578768971&sr=8-4

Do an exercise EVERY DAY. Look at it - without your bass. What's the highest/lowest note? Where on the neck should it be played? Any particularly tricky bits? Visualize how you'll play it. Clap the rhythm to a metronome. Once more if needed. ONLY THEN play the exercise. ONCE. That's it, never go back. Try to be reading a bar or so ahead of what you're playing.
These are simple exercises. As you get better, you can start tackling a wider range of material.
You sight reading will always be at a lower level than your playing (unless you're a musical wunderkind, so it needs the work.
 
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I would also recommend annotated sheet music for sight reading that tells what string and fingering to use.

IMHO this is not a good idea as different people tend to use different systems of fingerings and shifts. If the music is technical enough to require fingerings, it's not really suitable for sight reading and will have to be worked up. IMHO leave the space blank so the reader can add their own notes as needed (in pencil of course).
 
I became a true sight reader working in a big band (15 players). Each player had 2 to 3 crates of music with over 300 tunes filed by number. Band leader would call a number, you would reach down and get it on the stand, play it, then put it away. With that much music, you dont rehearse tunes, you become am expert sight reader.

Expert sight readers
- are reading one measure ahead of what they are playing
- can read any key. Key modulation in a tune is common
- see the note rhytm of a measure at a glance
- catch all the repeats and dal codas, etc
- can handle measures with different time signature
- catch all the volume dynamic and tempo markings .
- sight read an unseen tune at tempo the first time. The big band stuff is usually pretty straight forward unless its a showband arrangement and those do det rehearsed.
- dont get lost.
- have developed their reading skills so they can look at the music and hear it in their heads.
- know the trucks how to avoid screwing up
-

That all said, i remember some of the guys including the BL drinking liquor hard at the rehearsals and never missing a note. Drinking was 100% forbidden at jobs.


How many of those charts had sections that were written out with chord changes rather than standard notation? In other words you were expected to make up a walking bass line on the fly.
 
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IMHO this is not a good idea as different people tend to use different systems of fingerings and shifts. If the music is technical enough to require fingerings, it's not really suitable for sight reading and will have to be worked up. IMHO leave the space blank so the reader can add their own notes as needed (in pencil of course).
If he is just starting out, this will simplify the process to get through more sheet music more quickly. Even when I have annotations, I will sometimes replace them with my own. We just have to agree to disagree. I find it useful, and I also respect your opinion on why you like not having them.
 
If he is just starting out, this will simplify the process to get through more sheet music more quickly. Even when I have annotations, I will sometimes replace them with my own. We just have to agree to disagree. I find it useful, and I also respect your opinion on why you like not having them.

Well hopefully the player uses the same fingering system as the person who wrote the chart. I use one finger per fret on Bass Guitar and Simandl (1,2,4) on string bass, so my fingering and shift patterns would be totally different depending upon which instrument I was playing.

Some people play bass guitar with 1,2,3 or 1,2,4.

There is also a bass guitar fingering system that uses four fingers that is not one finger per fret. Microshifts are uses to avoid hyperextending the hand, so you might see 1,2,3 or 2,3,4 but not 1,2,3,4. This sets up a totally different finger pattern and series of shifts than one finger per fret.

Even string bass players who use Simandl tend to choose different finger patterns and shifts.

I am really not trying to be disrespectful, rather I am trying to illuminate why I think it's not as universal of an idea as you might think.

IMHO Fingering is really a matter of pedogogy rather than something that should be looped into sight reading training. Sight reading should focus more on note recognition in the context of standard notation, and on the ability to improvise a line when presented with chord notation.
 
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