Simandl and You

Discussion in 'Orchestral Technique [DB]' started by Rama Temmink, Jun 6, 2020.

  1. Rama Temmink

    Rama Temmink

    Nov 30, 2015
    I am curious on how everybody interprets the famous page ten of the classic red book.

    I encourage you to record your take on it.

    Tempo? Arco? Pizzicato? Legato? Forte?! All is well I say. Even better yet, different interpretations by the same musician piques my curiosity. ;)

    Please do not hesitate to show me and the others your physical copy of the book. Here is mine which is approximately ten years old.

    Simandl Youtube.jpg

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  2. Silevesq


    Oct 2, 2010
    Love the idea, but I sadly lost my book... Next time maybe!
  3. LouisF

    LouisF Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2003
    Los Angeles, CA
    I've been going back to the Simandl book annually for over 50 years. I didn't know page 10 was particularly famous! I use various "variations" for bowing volume etc; haven't don it pizz though.
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  4. Don Kasper

    Don Kasper Gold Supporting Member

    This is the version found alongside the Dead Sea Scrolls.
    What so special about pg.10??? It is just 3 ditties in Half Position in my version.
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  5. Rama Temmink

    Rama Temmink

    Nov 30, 2015
    It is the first few musical pieces that you will be learning/studying.
    It is fun, join in. :)
  6. M0ses


    Sep 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    I think they're fun to play and great for beginners building tuning skills. Much better than the chromatic half and first position exercises which are difficult to fix your ear on.
  7. Don Kasper

    Don Kasper Gold Supporting Member

    I believe I've squeezed about as much "fun" out of Herr Simandl's Book as is humanly possible - many decades ago.
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  8. birgebass


    Nov 7, 2011
    My son ripped a few pages out of mine recently, and colored a few. His love/hate relationship has already begun at the tender age of 3.
  9. Don Kasper

    Don Kasper Gold Supporting Member

    The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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  10. birgebass


    Nov 7, 2011
    Yeah, no doubt!
  11. bassfiddlesteve

    bassfiddlesteve Your first second choice™ Supporting Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    The “famous“ page in the Simandl book is page 69 with the bowing variations. That’s a great page for getting your arco skills together.

    I recently took my copy to Staples to have it re-bound with a spiral binding. I wish I had thought of that years ago.

    - Steve
  12. bassfiddlesteve

    bassfiddlesteve Your first second choice™ Supporting Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    You can download a copy of it here.

    - Steve
  13. neilG


    Jun 15, 2003
    Ventura, CA
    I think my version is about the same vintage as Don's albeit a bit worse for wear. Circa 1969. $3.50! simandl.jpg
  14. Andy Mopley

    Andy Mopley

    Sep 24, 2011
    Out of interest, my version is the English and Japanese text...Why the Japanese, I wonder...anyone know if there was a specific market there at the time??
  15. Leo Smith

    Leo Smith

    Oct 21, 2009
    they did a good job with that spiral binding. I might have to do that, since my book is held together with a piece of gaffer's tape.

    I also like the page 69 etude. Played it so many times as an undergrad that I don't need to read the music. Aside from the bowing variations, I've also been transposing it by ear just as an exercise. So far I've taken it up to D flat and down to G.
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  16. ILIA


    Jan 27, 2006
    That is way too funny!!
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  17. BrotherMister


    Nov 4, 2013
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    I'd have never thought of this but it's so simple, You've just changed my life. You sir, are all things to all men.
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  18. neilG


    Jun 15, 2003
    Ventura, CA
    I'm sure that was a marketing decision. The German would be way more useful, since any classical player needs to know a little German eventually.
  19. CaseyVancouver


    Nov 4, 2012
    1C3AD201-644C-44CB-A386-D8EB42FE41C5.jpeg Here’s my original copy, totally apart, on the right that I picked up something like 1972. The one on the left is newer, I gave it the spiral treatment.

    I would consider trading the original one with @Contranash for that ‘Old Gross Cake of Pops’ he has running in the classifieds. I might sweeten the deal with a yuan bill from my 1995 tour in Beijing, I dunno.
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  20. Andy Mopley

    Andy Mopley

    Sep 24, 2011
    Just as side note...The more I see YouTube videos of people demonstrating "new" techniques, the stronger my appreciation for the book. There is very little out there that I see where a technique is not a modification of an exercise that is already covered by Simandl or that is a significant departure. Maybe this is why this text has been so widely used as a teaching tool, since its first launch, a toss up between NeilG and Casey's books! ;-)
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