Small Cab for Recording

[Lammchop93]

Genzler MG112

 

[Matthijs]

Are you using the cab just for recording? If you are there might be stuff you can do to the cab itself. My guess is a 100 hz resonance is part of the svt sound it is designed for. If you add a lot of extra damping inside the cab the resonance might decrease. The low end response will change also, but that’s probably eq-able. If you’re not afraid to take a screwdriver to the cab and void the warranty it might be the cheapest solution.

 

[Haroldo]

I am happy with my older model (ca. 2006 (?)) Euphonic Audio M-Line Wizzy. They came in black then. Well worth seeking out, IMO.

 

[iiipopes]

if you're recording to any DAW = skip the amp/cab and go direct: get the tone you want with appropriate plugins/effects.

good luck!

Or if you have a particular tone you really want, use an emulator, for example, a Line 6 Bass POD

 

[higain617]

I’d split the signal between cab and DI. I really don’t like direct to the board unless I’m using an emulator. And even then...

Some engineers like to re-amp direct bass, as well.

 

[PianoOfDoom]

Are you using the cab just for recording? If you are there might be stuff you can do to the cab itself. My guess is a 100 hz resonance is part of the svt sound it is designed for. If you add a lot of extra damping inside the cab the resonance might decrease. The low end response will change also, but that’s probably eq-able. If you’re not afraid to take a screwdriver to the cab and void the warranty it might be the cheapest solution.

It's a cheap cab that I have no use for if it doesn't work, so I'd definitely mod it if it is easy enough. What specifically do you recommend I do?

 

[GreyBeard]

What mic are you using and how do you have it positioned?

 

[PianoOfDoom]

What mic are you using and how do you have it positioned?

Usually an M88, off center a few inches back. Sometimes further. I also sometimes try an SM57, but usually go back to the M88. The resonance is captured at any position or volume.

 

[Engle]

I record to a DAW, but do not use plugins at all. I'm fine with my REDDI tone for flatwound no treble Pbass style, but rounds on TBird needs moving air.

I recently did a recording gig with my Tbird Vintage Pro that had Rotosound RS66s on it. The strings were older, but I wasn’t going for an angry piano tone. Plugging directly into my interface sounded good for the hard rock tones the client wanted.
I have a PF-50T and 210AV cabs, but I haven’t recorded with the PF-50T because it has the 60Hz hum issue. Does yours?

 

[zon6c-f]

I have a PF-50T with 210av cab, and it is not usable for recording bass due to an explosive resonance around 100Hz. I initially assumed it was my (treated) room, so I moved it around, tried another larger room, tried multiple basses, turned the bass knob all the way down, and tried another amp in the same spot. It's the cab (I didn't try another head, but that would surprise me if that were the issue). Anyone else have this problem?

Do any of the other small Ampeg cabs like the Portaflex 112 or 210 do this? I don't have a ton of space available, which doesn't make it easier. I need an even, vintage Ampeg-y tone for miked recording at low volume. Nothing else.

Try Bergantino HDN 1-12
Light, full range and transparent

 

[PianoOfDoom]

I recently did a recording gig with my Tbird Vintage Pro that had Rotosound RS66s on it. The strings were older, but I wasn’t going for an angry piano tone. Plugging directly into my interface sounded good for the hard rock tones the client wanted.
I have a PF-50T and 210AV cabs, but I haven’t recorded with the PF-50T because it has the 60Hz hum issue. Does yours?

I sent my PF-50T back to Sweetwater because of the hum, and they were able to mod it for me for free! I got in touch with Ampeg support and they sent them instructions. Totally quiet now.

 

[bjabass]

Not sure, I thought thats what a notch filter was for?
Can't speak for professional studio bass players, but just about every studio I have heard of prefers a P bass direct. YRMV.

 

[BrentD]

I know you want to talk about cabs, but the PF50T has a pretty extensive EQ including a 5 way mid voice switch...
You say you turned the bass knob down, but if the bass knob isn't getting the 100hz, then you might have luck by boosting the bass and midrange (in the right spot). If the bass is below 100, and you boost it & the mid up above 100, then you create a scoop in the 100 area. Subtraction by addition. Lower your gain to make up for additional volume due to the eq boost.

If it's just a cab thing for you, then you might have luck over in some of the ampeg threads, in the portaflex thread, and the like...

I will also comment that an Ampeg cab might not be necessary for a vintage "ampeg-y" tone.

Good luck.

That mid voice switch in position 3 is centered on 800Hz and can cut 20dB. That might be worth a try to see if it's close enough before buying another cab.

 

[zon6c-f]

Not sure, I thought thats what a notch filter was for?
Can't speak for professional studio bass players, but just about every studio I have heard of prefers a P bass direct. YRMV.

Studios up until 1980s recorded direct bass and miked cab

Digital Home studios? Whatever works for you
To each their own

 

[dralionux]

I have a PF-50T with 210av cab, and it is not usable for recording bass due to an explosive resonance around 100Hz.

Recording the SVT210 using only a Roland DR 80CR Mic (from 10:06)

 

[sears]

I would not discount a sealed guitar cab if you are not cranking it to combine with the DI signal.

 

[dralionux]

NAD Ampeg PF50t & SVT210av

 

[emjazz]

The Bag End suggestion was a great one.

 

[GreyBeard]

I remember playing that cab once with the SS Ampeg head made for it. It WAS very "Honkey" (imho). I would venture a guess that the pf112 would do the job but, I have no experience with that cab.

 

[getBAK]

For a small - very transparent cab, you cannot beat the the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
greenboy audio
It has faithful tone generation far beyond the ranges you are going to need. The amount of R&D that's gone into the Greenboy cabinets is extensive and was at one point a multi-year group project here on TB.
Do a search on "Greenboy" or "fEarful" you'll find the info