Small Cabinet? Need more bass? no problem

[greenboy]

I wonder why you might need it

If I needed it I'd already have it. As for why I'm interested in it, it's to possibly add another color to the palette, another flave for the palate.

 

[Foz]

another flave for the palate

Well it is getting added to lots of stuff as you know, so you will run into it and you'll find out what you find out - but I reckon you won't get a new flave, just another path to a Buddha you are already well acquainted with. But I could be wrong, and I will be curious to hear how it pans out regardless.

 

[greenboy]

I sure won't add more heavy real estate to my rig by going with Peavey IPR DSP ; }

 

[seamonkey]

It's pretty easy to impersonate these bass processors with a tape saturation vst/au and a decent eq.

Not Maxxbass
It is patented, and they are the only ones to make and license it.

 

[Petebass]

So what does this device do that can't already be done with EQ?

 

[rpsands]

So what does this device do that can't already be done with EQ?

It's like a crossover (hpf) and eq that dynamically react to each note and add harmonics.

You can't increase harmonic content for two different individual notes with EQ unless you change the eq every note.

 

[L21B32G]

Isn't this the same thing as dbx's subharmonic synthesizer?

 

[Petebass]

I'm not buying that 'individual note' stuff. It's marketed as a mastering tool , not as a bass guitar device. The notion of individual notes in recorded music is beyond unrealistic.

 

[rpsands]

I'm not buying that 'individual note' stuff. It's marketed as a mastering tool , not as a bass guitar device. The notion of individual notes in recorded music is beyond unrealistic.

Look at the video please. Talking through the top of your hat you are.

This one gives a really good example of what it's intended to do, with bass guitar:

YouTube - Waves MaxxBass® - Overview

About 2:36 is the bass guitar specific stuff.

 

[fdeck]

The spectral analysis accompanying the un-processed electric bass contained no harmonics. It's not an analysis of the actual signal.

Real musical signals, e.g., from an electric bass, already contain plenty of harmonic content that could be boosted without the need for a special algorithm, just by turning up the mids, or playing through speakers that have limited bass response, such as typical electric bass speakers.

 

[superbassman2000]

that's what i was thinking too--it's a marketing graph, not a scientific one...i'd like to see the real graphs

not that I don't believe what it does, but I'd like to see what is *actually* going on

 

[Petebass]

Look at the video please. Talking through the top of your hat you are.

This one gives a really good example of what it's intended to do, with bass guitar:

YouTube - Waves MaxxBass® - Overview

About 2:36 is the bass guitar specific stuff.

I'll check out that vid when I've got something better than my iPhone speakers to use.

For the record I'm not doing any 'talking' of any kind. I asked a question, that's all. The blurb says "MaxxBass transforms low tone energy into higher frequency harmonics that the speakers can handle. The result is a richer, deeper bass sound, without excessive power consumption".

Can't the same result be achieved by, for example, cutting 30-50Hz and adding 80-130Hz with EQ?

 

[seamonkey]

I put a PDF in post #27 that includes a block diagram of the chip version which shows the internal signal flow. And talks about some of the magic, like the compression and gates used.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/s...ss-no-problem-757939/index2.html#post10710489

You can pick up the plugin and try it, and graph it on your own recorded tracks or known reference sample lib, or your own playing.

If you know of a recorded standard sample lib, I could run it through the plugin, a modeled bass amp, cabinet, and mic, but personal taste vary. Cut off frequencies vary. There's a lot of variables and the reason why you should try it yourself with your own preferences.

 

[seamonkey]

Can't the same result be achieved by, for example, cutting 30-50Hz and adding 80-130Hz with EQ?

I've seen a lot of people ask this on other forums.

Try the plugin - it works the same as the hardware. Then try EQ and see if you can get the same results.

Maybe you've just saved everyone $150, but nobody on the other forums have found an alternative for what it does.

 

[Calaverasgrande]

Not Maxxbass
It is patented, and they are the only ones to make and license it.

So it bears no resemblance to the aphex or other similar processors?
Try this, copy a track
Low pass it at about 120 hz
Add harmonics with tape sat or some other distortion sim.
Highpass around 100hz or so
Mix with original to taste.

 

[greenboy]

Lots of logical fallacies and craptastic nonsense in that vid. Junk science and false trails. The RGB thing is a hoot. Playing a bass's low E at 41.2 Hz and simultaneously talking about its fundamental at 82 or whatever? It's almost as if a more advanced version of the guy from tech21 picked up a few more catchphrases.

Great smoke screen for what they must really be doing. Any real WHITE PAPERS around?

 

[seamonkey]

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And the patent, and magazine reviews

Or just pick up the plugin and try it.

 

[greenboy]

I pray I will not be subjected to more glossy pap.

 

[GrowlerBox]

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And the patent, and magazine reviews

Or just pick up the plugin and try it.

Man, you're really pushing this -- anything to declare?

 

[fdeck]

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And the patent, and magazine reviews

Or just pick up the plugin and try it.

Seamonkey, meet burden of proof. Burden of proof, meet Seamonkey.

Throwing something out there and saying: "Try it and decide for yourself if it's real" is the lifeblood of the audiophile snake oil market.