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So... I got fired today (warning: long)

That's a bummer.
Practice more, play great in every band you're in, move on and try not to let it bug you too much because if you're good, you'll play with many other good players in your lifetime.
 
Somehow I doubt "people at the show" at a rap concert would vent out after the show on the Bass playing...
Looks to me that he wants his buddy playing the Bass or something... Sorry Bro.
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Just remember, what the rapper stated to you is his view of a situation that is grain of salt in the world of bands and music. He words are not like a theorem written down in a mathematics text book, but do take what he said as constructive and move on.

It was decent of him to be upfront, but he would have better himself if he gave feedback much earlier as you stated.

The best remedy for your soul is to get into a pocket in a better band.

Hopefully, you didn't do all of the practices and the gig for free.

Finally, don't fret over what a rapper says. Those types are a dime a dozen as I see dudes on the news where their moms say they were an aspiring rapper starting to go places. Instead, they are pushing up daisies.
 
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I guess what I'm curious about is:
  1. How do I learn from this to become a better player and avoid this scenario in the future?
  2. Should I work with this artist again in the future, or is it like breaking up with an SO and things will never be the same?
  3. What have you guys done when you've been canned?
Thanks for reading, I'd love to get your opinion and read other bassist's stories.

You have a really great attitude about the situation so I have to go with what others have speculated: the rapper just wants to work with another bass player, perhaps someone they know or someone who was highly recommended.
 
1st...DON'T play hip hop....lol just kidding

Actually it sounds like you just need to practice a bit more on ALL styles of music and even maybe play to a click which can help on timing and feel.
Now if I were you I also would keep in good accord with all the guys as a just in case of playing with in the future.
It seems that if you did show some improvement and willingness to learn was a good thing and you should keep doing that.
Learn from your mistakes and the good things you did and move forward and continue to get better.
There will be other opportunities.
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The dude had a bub that he REALLY wanted to play with before you...the bub got finished with whatever thing he was doing while you held the band together...the dude heard the bub was free...and now you are...happens all the time.....if you wannna play that kind of music...immerse yourself in it and you will pick up the groove...then the dude might fire the bub and collect you.
 
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Rappers.

For real, some to most of these guys are more concerned with image than with ability. I sometimes get work laying down grooves, but my phat white nerdy looking self ain't getting asked on the support tour. They may just have wanted someone who smoked more, or your personality didn't gel. Happens to everyone. No one is so amazing that everyone wants em.
 
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Hey all, I need to vent a bit and welcome any feedback you'd have to share.

TL;DR: Got fired from a serious band because of issues with the "feel" of my playing, and concerns that I wasn't committed to pursuing music professionally.

A few months ago, a rapper and friend of mine from college posted that he was looking for a bassist on FB. I told him I was interested, and he gave me songs to learn. We started rehearsing as a band, with a guitarist and drummer who've played together before. I've never played in a hip-hop band before, and my playing was rusty since I hadn't practiced consistently during my studies.

I got some feedback from the sound engineer at the studio we rehearsed at gave me feedback to "step back" from the drums and guitar like on an Erykah Badu track. I took the advice seriously and practiced playing looser, so I could get the feel right.

Over the next few months, we practiced weekly leading up to our gig, and everything sounded great. I'm open to honest feedback since I want to improve as a bassist. I tried to be conscious of the pocket and lock in the groove with the drummer. We sounded great according to the sound engineer. Our first show was awesome, everything was flawless and high energy, and we almost sold out the venue. People had a great time.

A week after the show, the rapper said he wanted to go over the performance and identify what went well and what could be improved on. We all agreed that we should meet up and talk about it. There wasn't much activity going on since then, and I knew we had a show the next month, so I had a feeling something was up. The rapper texted me asking if I could take a call and I said sure.

We chatted about life for a bit; then he got into what the deal was. He got feedback from people at the show, and the band members that the feel was a bit off, like something in the background was missing.

The guitarist told him that my bass playing wasn't cohesive with the guitar and vocals and that the bass was "almost antagonistic" to the guitar. He praised me for my attitude and dedication, and he said that he felt that I'm more focused on my career and that it seems like I'm not interested in professional music.

It's true, I am focused on building up my business, but it's not true that I don't want to play music professionally. That's been a dream of mine for so long, and I was happy to have found serious, talented musicians to perform with. I'm aware of the areas I need to improve on, and I honestly believe that I have the capability.

With an upcoming show and more planned in the next year, he was concerned that I wouldn't be able to nail all the new songs fast enough, given that time and money for rehearsal spaces is short. His career is taking off pretty fast, and I was 100% dedicated to going on tour if the opportunity presented itself.

I felt it was unfair that this was a decision made behind the scenes, instead of in a discussion where I could address concerns. He reiterated that my playing was technically good enough, but the feel wasn't quite there. I told him I'm aware that I'm rusty and the style of music was uncharted territory for me, and that I was professional, learned all the songs true to the bass lines on the recordings, and even made a couple of new songs on the spot that sounded great.

It's true that chemistry still needed to develop, but in the few months we've been rehearsing, every single session sounded better and better. From the first jam to the show, I've consistently cut down my playing and improved my groove.

I also said to him that it's his project and if he feels that I'm not there yet, it's his decision, and I respect it. I don't want to burn a bridge, and he mentioned that he also didn't want to close a door for future collaboration.

I'm trying to make sense of everything since I truly want concrete feedback on how I can be a better player. I like when people are honest when something isn't right so that headache can be avoided in the long run.

Maybe I'm biased since I'm an econ graduate and have worked in business environments, but if you're hired for the job it means you're good enough, and if issues arise, you have periodic evaluations for coworkers to give you feedback on what you're doing well and what needs work. If my playing was that bad, I feel like it should have been addressed before the show.

They saw me develop over a short period of time; why is it just now that they don't think I can get it right when I would have had more time to get it down?. The artist decided to go with another bassist who'll have to learn all the songs in a month, with less rehearsal time than we had.

Groove is crucial especially for R&B/hip-hop music, and if I wasn't bringing it, then it does nobody any favors to keep me in the band. Music is an emotional process, and it's hard to articulate many things. Maybe I won't be able to get an answer that I'm hoping for beyond "it just doesn't feel right".

Anyway, I needed to get that off my chest and into the open. If you've read this far, I congratulate you! I know I'll bounce back and find another project - I'm working with a producer tomorrow and the rapper was happy to connect me with his main beat maker, as well.

I guess what I'm curious about is:
  1. How do I learn from this to become a better player and avoid this scenario in the future?
  2. Should I work with this artist again in the future, or is it like breaking up with an SO and things will never be the same?
  3. What have you guys done when you've been canned?
Thanks for reading, I'd love to get your opinion and read other bassist's stories.

That's a bummer. Sounds like the rapper is a decent guy too. People have been fired in much less classy ways than that. Work that metronome. Study with a teacher. It's tough when you can't hear what you're doing wrong, but I know I was there once. Working with a metronome was probably the single most important thing that got me to "let go" and relax in a groove. Don't burn any bridges, years from now you'l look back on this as a turning point in your career.
 
Yeah, when on my first band, we got a prize which was a recording session...that very day was the reunion concert of my favorite band, which I had tickets since February. So I told them I could not go (record).
What?
I don't get that. You won a free recording session and a chance to create and record your own music and
maybe even promotion and you declined and chose to go hear someone else's music instead?
If that doesn't get one fired from a band, I don't know what will, lol.
 
I play on a lot of hip-hop and these guys are real particular about feel of the drums and bass. I'd honestly ignore any advice where older guys here are bashing the rapper and focus on getting better - you need to ask yourself how much you practice and what you work on. Can you make it feel like Pino on Brown Sugar? Can you make it feel like a Dilla beat? etc...it sounds to me like that is what they are looking for.

Even it somehow is political, just shrugging it off as such and not going to the shed is not going to make you a better player.
 
I think they had someone in the wings waiting. Sometimes the player replacing would not be as good, for stupid reasons, sometimes the band will look for someone with a different "look" and yeah, a different feel. Or maybe he didn't think you were"cool" enough. Who knows-- the thing is, as a bass player, you'll have more chances to join bands. Remember, good bass players are harder to find than.... rappers!

Hold your head up and move on. To better things.

Good luck and keep in touch.

EDIT: I add a disclaimer that provided you do know how to correctly play the music the "rapper" was looking for. If you're not good at it, that's another story....