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Soccer Tragedy
- Thread starter Jeff K
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Nope...not assuming that the number of murders would stay the same.
What I'm saying is that if the populous wasn't so huge the deaths per 100,000 residents would be higher than it is right now.
Example:Honduras...same types of voilent people...wayyy less population=a higher murder rate per 100,000 residents than Brazil
In fact I think Honduras is in the top 2 or 3 in the world
If this still isn't clear I would just google it
TMB
Sorry man, but your logic isn't coming through clear at all (and I don't think Google will help).
You can't just say that with a smaller population the deaths per 100,000 residents in Brazil would be higher. For that to be true you'd have to assume that this smaller population still had the same number of murders, i.e. you've removed innocent people from the population and kept the murderers, making it a more violent place.
You can't just say that with a smaller population the deaths per 100,000 residents in Brazil would be higher. For that to be true you'd have to assume that this smaller population still had the same number of murders, i.e. you've removed innocent people from the population and kept the murderers, making it a more violent place.
Years ago I worked with a very nice young engineer. He loved baseball and decided to ref. He took the course and became certified. He didn't even want to complete his first year. I joked with him that the kids were starting to get to him. He said no, it's the parents that he couldn't tolerate. As I got older and had kids, I recognized his complaints at almost every game I attended. Just last year my grandsons soccer team had to ask a young man to find a new team to play on. The reason, his PARENTS. I think in today's society anything is possible and probable.
;-) just my $.02
;-) just my $.02
Your understanding of logic is non-existant
Does this make more sense?
You take whatever the population of Honduras is. apx 8million. You take 8 million random Brazilians and move them into an area the size of Honduras (not very big). Your murder rate/100,000 per annum will be higher than it is currently (in Brazil) because your dealing with apx 194,000,000 people.
I'm sorry if its still confusing for you. But i have no idea your age or schooling level. Nor does it really matter at this point. If you still "dont get it" then it would probably be better if you didnt let everyone reading this thread know that.
This is not a "tragedy". This is humans reverting to their innate savagery. The veneer of civilization is very thin, my friends.
There are two ways this would be true. 1) Your random sample had a greater percentage of violent offenders than the general population of Brazil. 2) People become more violent when packed into a smaller area.
But back on topic... is there really any other sport in the world that attracts such behaviour? And I say this as a football fan. There are other sports that are more inherently violent in the playing but that doesn't seem to spill out onto the crowd.
This is not correct.
The entire point of a per capita figure is to compensate for differing population sizes. In a truly randome sampling of 8,000,000 Brazilians the ratio of murders would remains the same unless, as Frank Tuesday noted, simply moving them changed the conditions and thus the homicide rate.
Interestingly enough, Honduras already has almost three times the population density of Brazil.
Back to the topic at hand, from what I read of the incident yesterday it sounds like the people in the crowd that murdered the referee were family and/or friends of the player the ref stabbed.
So while an especially grizzly manner of death it's not all that surprising that people that just watched someone they are closely connected to be stabbed repeatedly would respond with violence against the perpetrator.
Outside of the drawing and quartering this isn't all that different than an argument at a pickup basketball game leading to a fight and then a shooting.
That's true, but remember that football (soccer) is by far the most popular sport in the world. Even in the the U.S, more kids play soccer than baseball, basketball, Hockey and American football combined. And that's in a country where it's not really a major sport. The same is true here in Australia, where it's also not a major sport.
As for the crime rate in Brazil - anyone who's ever been there and seen the Favelas (shanty towns) and the level of poverty might have a different view. I spent 3 weeks there, and I've never seen anything like it. It's appalling, to say the least. I'm not making excuses for the incident in question, but let's not start barking about crime rates because of one horrible incident, no matter how bad it was. You can't equate the actions of a few nutters with a whole country (or a sport for that matter).
