Heh, I have a feeling, were this axe a 5er, it would be long, long gone, by either yourself or Jerry! 
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Sound Clip - Suhr Classic J (Oly White)
- Thread starter RocketMusic
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I don't know if ya'll can make heads or tails of my SONAR screen caps, but the one below can give you an idea of exactly what's going on if you know how to interpret it.
There are 7 individual tracks (one is the MIDI drums which I converted to audo (track 4), so the MIDI track is muted). The panning control is right over the fader for each track, and I've ordered the tracks L-R as they're panned.
Then there are 4 buses. Bus 1 is the stereo master, Bus 2 is a submix of the rhythm section (bass, drums & chords), Bus 3 is a submix of just the chords, and Bus 4 is reverb. So the signal chain goes something like this:
ChordsL and ChordsR -> Bus 3
Bus 3 + Bass + Drums -> Bus 2
Bus 2 + Lead -> Master
And Joe (my brother in bass orchestra projects) will also appreciate the EQ settings at the top. The chords lose 600 Hz and below, the lead line loses 250 Hz and below, and the reverb also loses 250 Hz and below. The net result is that the kick drum and bass line are the sole occupants of 250 Hz and below. And when you add in the fact that the kick is panned Right and the bass line is panned Left... you can now distinctly hear the bass and the kick as separate entities. Yeah!!
There are 7 individual tracks (one is the MIDI drums which I converted to audo (track 4), so the MIDI track is muted). The panning control is right over the fader for each track, and I've ordered the tracks L-R as they're panned.
Then there are 4 buses. Bus 1 is the stereo master, Bus 2 is a submix of the rhythm section (bass, drums & chords), Bus 3 is a submix of just the chords, and Bus 4 is reverb. So the signal chain goes something like this:
ChordsL and ChordsR -> Bus 3
Bus 3 + Bass + Drums -> Bus 2
Bus 2 + Lead -> Master
And Joe (my brother in bass orchestra projects) will also appreciate the EQ settings at the top. The chords lose 600 Hz and below, the lead line loses 250 Hz and below, and the reverb also loses 250 Hz and below. The net result is that the kick drum and bass line are the sole occupants of 250 Hz and below. And when you add in the fact that the kick is panned Right and the bass line is panned Left... you can now distinctly hear the bass and the kick as separate entities. Yeah!!
Ooooh - I just ordered my M-Audio FastTrack Ultra 8R! Should be here tomorrow or Wednesday!! Thank you, Chuck Levin's!
That'll add 6-7 dB of dynamic range, and it will also let me double my sampling rate from 48kHz to 96kHz. I'm hoping that's the last nail in the coffin for getting truly professional results. We'll find out soon enough!!
That'll add 6-7 dB of dynamic range, and it will also let me double my sampling rate from 48kHz to 96kHz. I'm hoping that's the last nail in the coffin for getting truly professional results. We'll find out soon enough!!
Wait. You didn't buy from Rocket Music? I hear those cats are awesome.
Consider me anxious to hear your thoughts on (primarily) the increased bit rate and increased dynamic range. Of course, hearing your efforts just makes me realize how far back I am on the learning curve. I can't tell if I want to dig in myself, or just sit back and enjoy your stuff.
I know, right?!? I paid frickin' retail!! What is the world coming to?!? 
Dig in, Jerry!! It's not a big leap, you'll get better every project. And I would LOVE to hear you do a bass orchestra piece. With 6 strings aplenty, you could do some serious damage. I'm imaging at least 3 piece harmony on something... barbershop bass.
Dig in, Jerry!! It's not a big leap, you'll get better every project. And I would LOVE to hear you do a bass orchestra piece. With 6 strings aplenty, you could do some serious damage. I'm imaging at least 3 piece harmony on something... barbershop bass.
This may be a post that only I enjoy, but Cameron showed me a new trick yesterday and I thought some of you might enjoy it, too. He's been holding on out me!! 
The latest trick is used in conjunction with the track cloning and hard panning that I did on the chords. Cam suggested I nudge one of the tracks over slightly in time. That adds to the lushness of the stereo chords by creating a very slight delay.
So what started out as a simple G7 to C7 mono track has really blossomed into quite the production effort. Here's a quick snippet of the chords as each "trick" is applied in succession. Some of the tricks you won't be able to hear on PC speakers, but a good set of headphones will show you a world of difference as each trick is added to the previous ones.
CHORDS-MONO (raw track straight up the middle, no effects, no EQ, nada)
CHORDS-STEREO (cloned track, panned one copy hard left & one copy hard right)
CHORDS-STEREO-EQ (filtered out 600Hz and below)
CHORDS-STEREO-EQ-PITCH (detuned the left track very slightly to create a natural chorus)
CHORDS-STEREO-EQ-PITCH-DELAY (delayed left track just a hair)
Put that together with the bass line and the lead line, and here are all the bass parts at once:
ALL BASS PARTS
There's also one other trick that I didn't apply in this case. You can phase invert the left or the right signal, and it makes the overall tone of the chords a little more nasally. I decided to keep the tone of the chords more round just 'cause the Suhr bass has such a nice, warm tone...
The latest trick is used in conjunction with the track cloning and hard panning that I did on the chords. Cam suggested I nudge one of the tracks over slightly in time. That adds to the lushness of the stereo chords by creating a very slight delay.
So what started out as a simple G7 to C7 mono track has really blossomed into quite the production effort. Here's a quick snippet of the chords as each "trick" is applied in succession. Some of the tricks you won't be able to hear on PC speakers, but a good set of headphones will show you a world of difference as each trick is added to the previous ones.
CHORDS-MONO (raw track straight up the middle, no effects, no EQ, nada)
CHORDS-STEREO (cloned track, panned one copy hard left & one copy hard right)
CHORDS-STEREO-EQ (filtered out 600Hz and below)
CHORDS-STEREO-EQ-PITCH (detuned the left track very slightly to create a natural chorus)
CHORDS-STEREO-EQ-PITCH-DELAY (delayed left track just a hair)
Put that together with the bass line and the lead line, and here are all the bass parts at once:
ALL BASS PARTS
There's also one other trick that I didn't apply in this case. You can phase invert the left or the right signal, and it makes the overall tone of the chords a little more nasally. I decided to keep the tone of the chords more round just 'cause the Suhr bass has such a nice, warm tone...
LilRay
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Interesting layering Greg. I wish I could listen on something other than crummy laptop speakers but in spite of that I can hear a major difference.
Good thinkin'.
God Bless, Ray
Good thinkin'.
God Bless, Ray
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