Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[Saluki]

I gotta say that the OFD is a really 'deep' pedal. I was just messing around with mine today and found a whole bunch of new sounds out of it.

I have a hub if you are willing to share

 

[Mo'Phat]

No pops here....what power supply are you using?

VoodooLabs PP2 - and to clarify - there's no popping when engaging either of the presets on the pedal itself. It's only when switching via midi, and usually only when I have 3 or 4 pedals switching sounds at the same time. Most noticeable going from a noisy distortion to a thick fuzz, for example.

 

[Mo'Phat]

Have you tried buffered bypass?

The only pedal I KNOW I selected buffered bypass was the Dimension. I will set the others the same and see if that is the fix.

I was just asking if anyone knew already whether that would solve it.

 

[scottfeldstein]

I'm thinking about getting a Manta. Seems like it can do just about everything I'm doing with my multiwave pro and BEF pro. I could clear a lot of space on my board...and get someone else on TB into SA gear at a nice used price.

 

[Willy B]

Just got the hub manager update and it's not recognizing any of my SB2 pedals. I just rearranged my pedalboard so they are in different ports on the hub than they were before. I can't find info on the sa site that I used before when initially using the hub. Pretty lost right now.

 

[adamaarts]

Just got the hub manager update and it's not recognizing any of my SB2 pedals. I just rearranged my pedalboard so they are in different ports on the hub than they were before. I can't find info on the sa site that I used before when initially using the hub. Pretty lost right now.

I always wondered if switching the places of effects in the hub ports would cause any issue. I guess it does??

 

[enjoi1018]

Why was it necessary to change the ports in the first place? Could you just rearrange the audio path instead, and leave the pedals in the ports they were in?

 

[scotch]

Changing hub ports has never caused a problem for me. Sometimes I have to re-scan, but thats it.

 

[Willy B]

It wasn't necessary- I didn't intentionally change the ports it just happened in the process of reconfiguring my pedalboard. I would think changing ports would mess up any saved scenes but not make the pedals stop interacting with the hub.

 

[nshuman]

Changing hub ports has never caused a problem for me. Sometimes I have to re-scan, but thats it.

Aren't the saved settings just MIDI CC and PC messages anyway. It should not matter what port they are connected to. I am pretty sure I changed mine many times during one of my many many board changes.

 

[gastric]

After powering everything on press the Scan button on the Hub to re-find the connected pedals. And make sure the sensor cables are plugged in completely, and into the sensor IN ports on the pedals. If the Hub has successfully connected to your pedal you will clearly see the MIDI LED on the pedal enabled, and the Hub Manager will display the pedal connected.

 

[Willy B]

I just realized I probably have the sensor cables plugged into the out ports on the pedals. D'oh. User error.

 

[nshuman]

I just realized I probably have the sensor cables plugged into the out ports on the pedals. D'oh. User error.

That has NEVER happened to me, except for the like 3-4 times that it did

 

[Nic.]

I'm thinking about getting a Manta. Seems like it can do just about everything I'm doing with my multiwave pro and BEF pro. I could clear a lot of space on my board...and get someone else on TB into SA gear at a nice used price.

I've found the multiwave to be an entirely different beast, and this was confirmed a few pages back in this thread....somewhere.....

My story is that I started with the Manta because I wanted a really good filter, and I got hooked on the distortions, so I wanted to be able to control them separately. I picked up a multiwave pro and somehow just couldn't get that same really nasty gritty sizzly distortion I dialed in on the Manta. But on the other hand, I've found a bunch of really good sounding distortions on the multiwave that I don't think I can get on the Manta, and I'm using both pedals actively at the moment.

Edit - here's the post: http://www.talkbass.com/threads/sou...-s-a-s-s-part-3.1056621/page-55#post-16291363

and the official response quoted for your convenience: "The Multiwave was designed to be its own beast. First we did the guitar version. Then we did the bass version, which added a clean mix. Then we did the Pro version of the Bass version. Finally we did the SB2 version. Again, all of these grew off of the original Multiwave Distortion (SB1).

Manta had a different development path. The challenge here was to add in a wide variety of distortion types using the very limited code that was left after doing all the filter stuff. Also, they each needed to sound good with the all (or most) of the filter types. Ideally, we wanted to capture some of the OFD, some of the Multiwave, and also allow people to do single pedal Dubstep wobble. The last item required getting some additional synthyness that does not exist in the Multiwave alone. You will note that some folks were adding in synth pedals to do this....and we wanted to make it a one pedal solution. Because of all these things, the Manta distortions really became their own thing and are really not the same as what you find on the OFD or the Multiwave. Hope this helps!"

 

[gastric]

I just realized I probably have the sensor cables plugged into the out ports on the pedals. D'oh. User error.

I typed all of those suggestions from my own personal experience.

 

[Willy B]

I just confirmed that I did indeed have the cables in the Out ports instead of In. I am up and running again, ready to really dive into these pedals and the hub.

 

[enjoi1018]

Just got my Hub in! Quick question! Can I use one SA expression on the sensor in, and another on the expression in to control two parameters in a scene?

 

[scottfeldstein]

Edit - here's the post: http://www.talkbass.com/threads/sou...-s-a-s-s-part-3.1056621/page-55#post-16291363

and the official response quoted for your convenience: "The Multiwave was designed to be its own beast. First we did the guitar version. Then we did the bass version, which added a clean mix. Then we did the Pro version of the Bass version. Finally we did the SB2 version. Again, all of these grew off of the original Multiwave Distortion (SB1).

Manta had a different development path. The challenge here was to add in a wide variety of distortion types using the very limited code that was left after doing all the filter stuff. Also, they each needed to sound good with the all (or most) of the filter types. Ideally, we wanted to capture some of the OFD, some of the Multiwave, and also allow people to do single pedal Dubstep wobble. The last item required getting some additional synthyness that does not exist in the Multiwave alone. You will note that some folks were adding in synth pedals to do this....and we wanted to make it a one pedal solution. Because of all these things, the Manta distortions really became their own thing and are really not the same as what you find on the OFD or the Multiwave. Hope this helps!"

Thanks for that! Yep, I can see where they are different animals for sure. And yet, the Manta seems more closely tailored to my own use of the Pros. I guess you could say I used the Pro pedals, with all their capabilities, to narrow down what I really wanted to do with them. I found that what I wanted to do with them turned out to be very much like the feature set of the Manta. I don't think that's a coincidence. Probably there are others who found this as well, and it obviously also occurred to the SA folks too or they wouldn't have made it.

 

[rsmith601]

Just got my Hub in! Quick question! Can I use one SA expression on the sensor in, and another on the expression in to control two parameters in a scene?

Yes, that works. Keep in mind that the EXP pedal on the sensor input will show up on the "HH" control area of your SB2, while the other will be on "EXP". Make sense?

 

[Adamixoye]

Okay, I need to do some more testing before I write [email protected], but is there any reason why I would be getting clipping through a SB2 pedal even if it's in true bypass mode?

Again, I only had a chance for some quick tests tonight, but I've been noticing this clipping (especially on clean guitar through my combo board) and I'm pretty sure it's from my Manta---it goes away when I take it out. I tried both buffered and true bypass. I haven't swapped out any cables. Any suggestions?

This was a stupid question where my hypothesis didn't make any sense (it just seemed to be what my ears were hearing), but after further testing I no longer think the problem is in my Manta. I think it is in the bridge pickup of my guitar, so I will need to adjust that. I just wanted to clear SA of any criticism on this one!