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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

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rsmith601 said:
More on this from Brett:
"Yes, there is a way to do this. There is a “favorite” footswitch that lets you instantly jump to a predefined program at any time. Assuming that users set this up in their hub to bypass all connected pedals, then it will effectively act like a master bypass switch.
So it requires the user to have at least one scene in the hub which is set up for all pedals bypassed."
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Cool, thanks. This would serve my needs exactly. I totally understand about the "bypass scene" but having a bunch of them scattered around in presets uses up a lot of slots, and the alternative is a lot of scrolling to and fro as my slots fill up more more. It's easy to select the bypass, just not necessarily easy to get there.

This is what I love about your solutions, there's the exact tool I need, but it's flexible enough that it can also be someone else's exact need at the same time.

Any chance there's new or updated info on this product - or possibly at least dimensions? Board space is a factor, at least until I can bare to part with some other elements that take up too much room, and I'm looking forward to starting to conceptualize a new layout...
 
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jaysbass2002 said:
Synth with built in octave shift? Kill two birds with one stone and make many happy dub steppers!:hyper: Sorry Smith I couldn't help myself.
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If you mean that an octave down of the generated wave form is one of the voices/oscillators/options, then I agree. If you're talking about just another octaver, then I would prefer that SA (or anyone else) pack more synth options into a synth pedal instead of dedicating some of that space to a different effect. The world has a lot of good octavers; it doesn't have enough good bass synth pedals.
 
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I'm not sure if this has been asked before, but will lowering the gain on the Multiwave distortion (and I guess the OFD) give the exact same effect as lowering the input volume?

E.g. if my bass is plugged directly into it, when I lower the volume on my bass, the sound of the foldback distortion changes drastically. If I turn the volume back up, but turn the gain down a bit, it appears to have the exact same effect... but I'm not 100% sure? If it's really modeled like actual distortions, then I assume this should be the case.



Edit- and I haven't been here for a while, so I just flipped through the past few pages and... a SA delay? FINALLY! One more SB2 pedal and that'll be enough excuse for me to get a hub, upgrade my multiwave pro to SB2 and start using this newfangled scene preset thing. The multiwave has already more or less kicked my Foxrox Octron off the board - it just fits into the band mix easier somehow, but if SA does a synth or dirty octaver or harmonizer I'm jumping on it right away. In response to Adamixoye's comment above, the world DOES have a lot of good octavers, but none of them are midi scene controllable, and there's no decent digital distorted octave yet!
 
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DELACIUS said:
Oh man thanks a lot for this... Really thanks
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No problem. Like I said, I've not done this with a Hub, but I've done pretty extensive testing with two Eventides and a Line6 all hooked together---no issues. I don't see why it wouldn't work with a Hub (and I hope to try it out in the future).
 
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Nic. said:
In response to Adamixoye's comment above, the world DOES have a lot of good octavers, but none of them are midi scene controllable, and there's no decent digital distorted octave yet!
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The Pitchfactor/H9 can do this - midi capable and the distorted octave tones are quite good.

I have some midi scenes with my Manta, Orbital, PF and H9 (reverb) that are quite good. For sure it is a bit more complex than using just the Hub Manager, but the factor gear is compatible and complementary with my SA gear.
 
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benevan said:
The Pitchfactor/H9 can do this - midi capable and the distorted octave tones are quite good.

I have some midi scenes with my Manta, Orbital, PF and H9 (reverb) that are quite good. For sure it is a bit more complex than using just the Hub Manager, but the factor gear is compatible and complementary with my SA gear.
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I stand corrected! That's useful info - always thought the pitchfactor was just the digital warbly sounding octave like the POG. Kinda pricey though...
 
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Nic. said:
In response to Adamixoye's comment above, the world DOES have a lot of good octavers, but none of them are midi scene controllable, and there's no decent digital distorted octave yet!
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Well, I understand that view. And if someone out there wants a particular product, far be it from me to deny them that. However, I think there is a couple of things to say here. First, there are lots of MIDI-controlled loopers out there that could let you use your favorite octaver in a "scene." It does appear that the forthcoming Source Audio MIDI controller will be able to do things like this. I think with octavers in general, most people have a "one setting and forget it" sound. It's not at all the same for synths, where in most cases you want a bunch of different sounds.

So I would say that I understand the desire by some people for MIDI-controllable octave sounds (with different octave tones, etc.), but I still think that it's far less of a hole in the market than the need for a few more synths with the kind of control that the SB2 platform could offer.
 
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Nic. said:
I'm not sure if this has been asked before, but will lowering the gain on the Multiwave distortion (and I guess the OFD) give the exact same effect as lowering the input volume?

E.g. if my bass is plugged directly into it, when I lower the volume on my bass, the sound of the foldback distortion changes drastically. If I turn the volume back up, but turn the gain down a bit, it appears to have the exact same effect... but I'm not 100% sure? If it's really modeled like actual distortions, then I assume this should be the case.



Edit- and I haven't been here for a while, so I just flipped through the past few pages and... a SA delay? FINALLY! One more SB2 pedal and that'll be enough excuse for me to get a hub, upgrade my multiwave pro to SB2 and start using this newfangled scene preset thing. The multiwave has already more or less kicked my Foxrox Octron off the board - it just fits into the band mix easier somehow, but if SA does a synth or dirty octaver or harmonizer I'm jumping on it right away. In response to Adamixoye's comment above, the world DOES have a lot of good octavers, but none of them are midi scene controllable, and there's no decent digital distorted octave yet!
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This is from Bob Chidlaw:
Yes, lowering the Drive gain will act the same as reducing the signal from the bass. Turning down the volume on the bass may produce some small changes in the frequency response of the bass, of course; if the bass is plugged directly into the Multiwave, the high input impedance of our pedal will tend to make any frequency response changes on the subtle side.
Curiously enough, the Multiwave guitar distortion (but not the bass) has a compressor on the input, so the above is not true for that pedal.
 
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Adamixoye said:
Okay, I'm going to have to take your word for it (and hope that a synth is back in the game plan :D)...

I promised no more annoying questions, but I hope this one isn't that annoying. For the Hub, would it be possible in the future to have the MIDI channel be on a per-preset basis rather than a global option? For example, if I want to use a HH3 -> Hub and use the Hub to output MIDI to a 3rd party pedal, but I want to do this with multiple pedals on different channels for different scenes. E.g., Hub scenes 1, 7, 10-15, and 28 the HH3 output is on MIDI channel 3; Hub scenes 2-6, 8, 20-27 the HH3 output is on MIDI channel 4; Hub scenes 9 and 16-19 it's on MIDI channel 5. (You could also retain the global option as an override option.)
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Currently not possible on the hub but could be made possible with a future update.
As a side note, this should be possible on the foot switch. We currently have options for different Cc outputs on a per patch basis but we are planning for per patch Midi channel control as well.
 
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Flagg said:
Any chance there's new or updated info on this product - or possibly at least dimensions? Board space is a factor, at least until I can bare to part with some other elements that take up too much room, and I'm looking forward to starting to conceptualize a new layout...
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We are almost at the beta test stage. The dimensions are 9x3.8 inches.
 
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Adamixoye said:
If you mean that an octave down of the generated wave form is one of the voices/oscillators/options, then I agree. If you're talking about just another octaver, then I would prefer that SA (or anyone else) pack more synth options into a synth pedal instead of dedicating some of that space to a different effect. The world has a lot of good octavers; it doesn't have enough good bass synth pedals.
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Exactly.:smug:
 
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rsmith601 said:
Currently not possible on the hub but could be made possible with a future update.
As a side note, this should be possible on the foot switch. We currently have options for different Cc outputs on a per patch basis but we are planning for per patch Midi channel control as well.
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Yes, understood that the Hub doesn't currently have this functionality---but I am very much in favor of it!

I'm very interested in what the footswitch will be able to do, although I'm getting low on pedalboard space (and have largely solved my MIDI issues)...
 
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Adamixoye said:
Well, I understand that view. And if someone out there wants a particular product, far be it from me to deny them that. However, I think there is a couple of things to say here. First, there are lots of MIDI-controlled loopers out there that could let you use your favorite octaver in a "scene." It does appear that the forthcoming Source Audio MIDI controller will be able to do things like this. I think with octavers in general, most people have a "one setting and forget it" sound. It's not at all the same for synths, where in most cases you want a bunch of different sounds.

So I would say that I understand the desire by some people for MIDI-controllable octave sounds (with different octave tones, etc.), but I still think that it's far less of a hole in the market than the need for a few more synths with the kind of control that the SB2 platform could offer.
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Perhaps. I don't actually know that many people who use octavers personally IRL, but I would really like to be able to switch the amount of up/down/dry blend on the fly with a footswitch, and/or be able to adjust how hairy each one sounds, rather than having to bend down and tweak knobs to do so... and also to be able to turn on my filter AND turn off my other distortion at the same time. I guess I don't know the general market well enough, but I'd agree that more synths in general would be really really good too (and yes, if a synth comes out I'm jumping on it)

rsmith601 said:
This is from Bob Chidlaw:
Yes, lowering the Drive gain will act the same as reducing the signal from the bass. Turning down the volume on the bass may produce some small changes in the frequency response of the bass, of course; if the bass is plugged directly into the Multiwave, the high input impedance of our pedal will tend to make any frequency response changes on the subtle side.
Curiously enough, the Multiwave guitar distortion (but not the bass) has a compressor on the input, so the above is not true for that pedal.
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Thank you! I'm glad to confirm that, was planning to reconfigure my pedalboard around that - it's easier to back the volume off the input rather than fiddle with the gain knob during a song. I'm running my active bass through a wireless so it shouldn't have any impedance-related responses.
 
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adasphodel said:
By the way, do someone have any news on SA multi-functional expression pedal? I'll preoder immediately as soon as this would be announced!
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sillyfabe said:
This with a preorder as well!
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Me three! (At least, if it's available for my April birthday it's what I'll ask for from my wife.)
 

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