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Source Audio Sourcerers Society (S.A.S.S.) Pt 2

#863
johnk_10 said:
yes I would.
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There are others, but these are the ones that sprung to mind first.

*2 built in presets vs 6 presets, if you pickup the scenesaver to use with your other stuff, this is less of an issue.

*There will be some different models available on the Manta, but basically the same amount of models. The Manta will be more varied and some of the existing modles have been tweaked for better performance.

*Manta has 8 built in distortion types but will sidechain with your input signal for controlling the envelope.

*Manta has less LFO options.

*Manta has less absolute tweakbility as there are a lot of backpage parameters on the Pro. I would guess 95% of users never touched more than a couple of those backpage parameters. Manta still has most controls that you would expect an envelope filter to have

*Lose the ability to use hothand and expression pedal simultaneously with the Manta.
 
#864
thanks for that info.
what i'm most concerned with the that most envelope pedals have a constant Q that hist a huge resonant peak in the low mids & lows as they sweep downwards, causing the signal to clip a lot of amp's or mixer's front end. I installed a 'moog' filter switch in my meatball to alleviate that, which broadens the Q as it sweeps downwards sounding more like a moog filter than a mutron (or most others). it would be nice if either of the SA EF's had an adjustment or setting for that.
the clips that I've heard of the BEF pro sound like that they don't necessarily have to have that huge filter peak.
 
#865
johnk_10 said:
thanks for that info.
what i'm most concerned with the that most envelope pedals have a constant Q that hist a huge resonant peak in the low mids & lows as they sweep downwards, causing the signal to clip a lot of amp's or mixer's front end. I installed a 'moog' filter switch in my meatball to alleviate that, which broadens the Q as it sweeps downwards sounding more like a moog filter than a mutron (or most others). it would be nice if either of the SA EF's had an adjustment or setting for that.
the clips that I've heard of the BEF pro sound like that they don't necessarily have to have that huge filter peak.
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Actually, our Low Retain blend control does attenuate the resonant peak of the wet signal. Not quite the same thing, but it does have some of the same benefits.
 
#868
Smallequestrian said:
There are others, but these are the ones that sprung to mind first.

*2 built in presets vs 6 presets, if you pickup the scenesaver to use with your other stuff, this is less of an issue.

*There will be some different models available on the Manta, but basically the same amount of models. The Manta will be more varied and some of the existing modles have been tweaked for better performance.

*Manta has 8 built in distortion types but will sidechain with your input signal for controlling the envelope.

*Manta has less LFO options.

*Manta has less absolute tweakbility as there are a lot of backpage parameters on the Pro. I would guess 95% of users never touched more than a couple of those backpage parameters. Manta still has most controls that you would expect an envelope filter to have

*Lose the ability to use hothand and expression pedal simultaneously with the Manta.
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Good list! Manta has no 7 Band EQ. Manta has no desiccated Expression input. Manta has no dedicated MIDI input.

In general we tried to take all the most important things and then added in many new advanced features.
 
#869
Smallequestrian said:
Both actually.
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cool, so it sounds like the manta is the one for me for now. i'll just get that one first, and i'll probably end up getting the BEF pro too (but a little later as my pedal budget allows ;)).

as far as i'm concerned, the SA orbital modulator (which is my favorite Phaser) and OFD are two of the best pedals available right now, so I think their envelopes will be right up my alley.
 
#870
rickenbaker said:
So I've been interested in the OFD for a while, but all the demo videos I've seen so far have just shown off heavy distortion or fuzz tones. And while those are great and something that I'm interested in I haven't really heard a good overdrive tone in any of the demos. Now obviously the OFD is capable of a lot and I'm sure if I got one I could find an overdrive tone of my dreams but it seems a little daunting to put up the money for a pedal that I don't know that I'll like.So i guess the big question here is if anybody with an OFD has gotten some good overdrive tones out of it. If so could you post some soundclips and post your settings? Don't mean to derail the thread just thought that this was the best place to ask
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I started a thread with a short clip of the OFD on low drive settings. hope it helps......;)

you can hear it here: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f36/source-audio-ofd-low-overdrive-clips-1038006/
 
#871
sooooo.... they've had some difficulties so our date got pushed back to Jan 17, but my drummer and i are going into record with SYLVIA ****ING MASSY. i am beyond excited. look at this place. JUST LOOK AT IT.

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but i was bummed because we had some bits we used the BEF and Wub Wub HH Ring in, but i just don't have room for the Pro on my board. when i was asking Mssr. Ragnarok Smith about the release date and relayed that, he sent me a near finished prototype BEF2 to work with. we wrote one of my favorite songs we do in a day or two.

Source has always been super nice and approachable folks, but that blew me away. gonna be at NAMM this year and the whole Source crew better stay on their toes.

SLOPPY. CHUBBY. HONKY LOVE HUG. TACKLES.
 
#873
johnk_10 said:
...what i'm most concerned with the that most envelope pedals have a constant Q that hist a huge resonant peak in the low mids & lows as they sweep downwards, causing the signal to clip a lot of amp's or mixer's front end. ...
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You're correct, many filters do this. Some users put a limiter after their filters to help tame this. Or drive the filters into tubes which can more gracefully overdrive from these peaks as compared to most solid state clipping.

Most filters have a resonance control (Manta included), but not a specific Q (width) control over the resonance. Note that with the Source Audio filters you get a couple dozen filter voices to choose from, which provide a variety of peak, notches, etc. of various flavors to choose from.

One feature of the Manta that I'm not certain that is on the Pro is that you can set a blend of envelope *AND* LFO which opens some interesting non-standard tones to explore.

Overall I find the Manta much easier to use since all of the available features are provided via knobs with a clear, word-based UI. No backpage to decipher.

Last tidbit, I believe the Manta has been improved with a deeper frequency range as well as a quicker envelope retrigger as compared to the Pro. But I don't have a Pro to A-B with so I'm going off my memory on that one.

I'm excited to hear what kind of crazy sounds you guys come up with the new filter voices, drive features, etc. You can set a fairly static filter, apply interesting drive, then blend it with your bass for some neat layered drive voices. Even neater with LFO applied. Lots of weird noises to be had with this one. :)
 
#876
I just wanted to say that Source Audio has literally the best customer service out there! I had a busted HH3 controller and was sent a new one without any questions asked. True service here! You guys just earned yourself another loyal customer! :)
 
#877
I agree. i'm sold on them.
right now I have:
SA228 Soundblox2 OFD
SA226 Soundblox2 Orbital Modulator
SA221 Soundblox2 Multiwave Bass Distortion
SA141 Multiwave Bass Distortion Pro
and their SA161 Expression Pedal

on the way to me (will be here tomorrow):
SA143 Bass Envelope Filter Pro
SA170 Programmable Equalizer

and the SA223 Soundblox2 Manta when it becomes available. :)
 
#879
I'm thinking of putting together a small board made up of an OFD, an Orbital, the Mantra and expression pedal. This will cover just about all of what I use in a gig. However, I do use a low pass filter when playing reggae and dub music, so... can I use the Mantra as a low pass filter to roll off the highs when playing in my reggae band?
 

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