Speaker Size

[jnewmark]

It worked for Hendrix.

And Albert King.

 

[will33]

I'd be curious as to what Bain makes (or loses) on GC vs. MF internet business.

Here, we're fortunate enough to have other more local options....it's not like that everywhere. We're also so saturated, aside from strings, Craigslist is the only "music store" I really need.

 

[will33]

And Albert King.

+1

 

[Rockin Mike]

Not all of them. It isn't that easy to just waltz into a city and take it over. Ask the owner of MARS Music, who lost his ass with the big box music store concept. Guitar Center has had a brush with bankruptcy as well and turned to Mitt Romney to bail them out.

So it ain't all caviar and cigars lit with your $100 bills.

Good, then that gives the local stores a fighting chance.
They're businesses not charities so it's up to us to take advantage of the best deals we can find.

 

[Shlogo]

Ok, here's a question:
Looking at the Avatar cabs, people seem to like them. Haven't read a bad thing about them.
And if I was to buy new, it seems like they have some of the best prices (to my knowledge).

So, would you buy blind with Avatar? I dont see any way of trying one out before hand...
I dont know exactly what model yet, though people seem to like the TB1153, but are they all good?
Dont see why not, but dont want to spend $300+ and have it be horrible

 

[will33]

I'd buy a TB153 sight unseen because I have enough technical knowledge to know what I'm getting and not getting. From a technical standpoint, it's the best of the Avatar line.

FWIW, I do have a pair of their "LF" take on the 12" deltalites and those I wouldn't recommend for a regular bass cab. They trade off way too much top for a little gain down low. Their breakup peak comes in too low and they don't sound as "musical" as the the stock spec Eminence deltalites. Although, Avatar uses a full crossover with these, which doesn't make much sense on the face of it seeing as the woofers can't reach high enough to meet where the tweeter takes over anyway, but maybe that LPF is there to take the nastiness out of the woofers topend even if it means leaving a response hole.

I would assume it's optimized enough to sound alright with various woofer compliments on the bottom, be they the 10's, 12's, 15's, whatever. You can't do optimal crossovers at that price so you have to come up with something that works "alright" in different models. The biggest concerns would be a beefy inductor to handle high power in the woofer lowpass and the fact that the tweeter protection is also 2nd order and not 3rd. Again an issue under high power. The additional cap it might take to form 3rd order tweeter protection might be $1 bit I guess you gotta draw the line somewhere.

 

[Shlogo]

Any opinions on the 112 and 210?
I'm trying to keep my options open, not set on one thing

 

[Budbear]

Read this and any of the other tech topics Alex touches on to gain some insight into the science of speaker design as it relates to bass amplification.

Disclaimer: he may be a capo or possibly even a godfather with his own famiglia.

WHY NOMINAL DIAMETER TELLS YOU NOTHING ABOUT TONE:

http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information/speaker-size-frequency-response.htm

 

[Joe Louvar]

Any opinions on the 112 and 210?
I'm trying to keep my options open, not set on one thing

Yeah, they don’t have enough oomph - 15s Rule!!!

 

[chadds]

Did y'all just get here?
Oh, I know. It's April Fool's Day and you are all pretending to believe this.

 

[Shlogo]

Yeah, they don’t have enough oomph - 15s Rule!!!

May not have enough, but what about when there are 2 210s? or 2 212s?

I'm really thinking about room in my room (where my stuff is when I'm not out).
There may be trouble getting a 15 in here that will be able to play as well as one can in a small bedroom.

 

[will33]

A lot of people seem to like their 10" loaded cabs. I myself haven't heard one, but it seems to hold up technically, as doing a bit of "lf" oem mod might hopefully still have a nice sound. There is a chart out there of an Avatar 410, which has a deep, bit narrow hole between woofer and tweet, that comes in the 2.5khz region that a lot of people don't want to keep their slap from sounding ganky or their more thick country/rock/blues sound from becoming twangy. Don't know that I'd buy one sight unseen, bit I'd be curious to hear a 210, or vertical pair.

Plenty of people gig them regularly. Maybe a separate thread asking for opinions is in order.

 

[jungleheat]

Excuse me, but isn't it arrogant---no, rude---to call others "matched cabs mafia brothers?"

Not when that's how some of these guys treat their responses.

Let's all try to make our points more respectfully and have this be a discussion rather than trying to participate in and win a long distance urination competition.

That's what I've wanted all along, but it's REALLY hard when one side tends to be as condescending as possible (saying we "don't understand the tech" etc...), exaggerate (saying it's "risky" etc...), and over-emphasize certain things (particularly phase response and dispersion) to get their point across. Somehow though they always seem to get a pass in these threads, even when they're doing most of the antagonizing.

There are SO many reasons why someone would or wouldn't like a particular pair of cabs. Maybe you wouldn't like 2 Ampeg 410HEs because you don't want sealed cabs. Maybe you wouldn't like 2 1x15s because they don't have tweeters and don't have the high end extension you want. Maybe you do like 2 Goliath cabs because they are loud and sound good with controllable high end. Maybe you like a particular manufacturer's 1x15/2x10 pairing because the cabs complement each others tones. Whether the cabs are mixed or matched is sure to be FAAAAAAARRRRRRR down most people's lists, but somehow everytime it comes up, matching is promoted by an extremely vocal few as pretty much the ONLY important thing to look at, when there are obviously MANY other factors that go into whether a particular cab setup will work for a particular person.

I just wish the "other side" would dial down the rhetoric a bit so we could have a balanced, open, and honest discussion about these issues, instead of being constantly beat over the head with it by people who assure us that they "know better", even when many who don't accept matching as the default "best" may have decades of experience that tells them why they don't. The science is what it is, but ultimately a person has to choose what works FOR THEM, based on the options available TO THEM (which may be limited by price, geography, selection, weight, or any number of other factors). Mixing vs matching is one small aspect of this decision tree, yet because of one side's "lobby" it ends up dominating the discussion in a way I think MOST (on both sides) are tired of.

 

[CL400Peavey]

Ok, here's a question:
Looking at the Avatar cabs, people seem to like them. Haven't read a bad thing about them.
And if I was to buy new, it seems like they have some of the best prices (to my knowledge).

So, would you buy blind with Avatar? I dont see any way of trying one out before hand...
I dont know exactly what model yet, though people seem to like the TB1153, but are they all good?
Dont see why not, but dont want to spend $300+ and have it be horrible

My hesitation on Avatar cabs is based solely on the fact that they use 3/4" ply wood. If the weight doesnt bother you, and their tone works, then they are a viable option. As Will has mentioned in regards to their LF drivers, there is range where the LFs lack on the high end before the tweeter kicks in. That works for some and not for others. I also agree with Will that if I was going to get a Avatar cab it would be the TB153.

 

[JimmyM]

I don't get tired of the Fearful fans because I'm free to ignore it if I like, as you are. And if there was anything that wasn't truthful in their "rhetoric," I'd be the first to call it out. But while a 3-way cab like the Fearful may not be in your plans (810 and 215 fan here, thank you), the science of it is rock solid and dead-on accurate. I would rather know the science than pretend it doesn't exist, especially if I'm shopping for a rig.

 

[billfitzmaurice]

+1

You missed my point completely, which relates to there being only one string. I'll let you ponder the implications.
BTW, much of Hendrix's tone was the result of using a right handed Strat strung upside down. Many righties adopted 'upside down' headstocks to get that tone...then screwed up the works with a locking nut.

So, would you buy blind with Avatar? I dont see any way of trying one out before hand...

If you do your research you'll find out that Avatar uses mainly premium drivers, and that's what matters the most. That's in stark contrast to most manufacturers, who hide the specs of their drivers, mainly because they don't want you to know how cheap they are.

 

[jungleheat]

The differences in Hendrix' tone from playing upside down don't have anything to do with the headstock or nut (his nut would have been reversed, otherwise his low E string would not have fit in the slot, and the high E string would have been buzzing and moving around in the huge low E slot). It mainly had to do with the reversed bridge pickup, which on a strat is angled closer to the bridge on the treble side (so backwards the way Hendrix played them). And of course all the other gear and gadgets he had.

 

[Joe Louvar]

BTW, much of Hendrix's tone was the result of using a right handed Strat strung upside down. Many righties adopted 'upside down' headstocks to get that tone...then screwed up the works with a locking nut.

Many (pros)?

 

[will33]

You missed my point completely, which relates to there being only one string. I'll let you ponder the implications.
BTW, much of Hendrix's tone was the result of using a right handed Strat strung upside down. Many righties adopted 'upside down' headstocks to get that tone...then screwed up the works with a locking nut.

I thought it was a joke, meaning how could a bass be left or right handed if it has one string down the middle of the neck?

I should've used some of these in my posts. It was supposed to be sarcastic....you only need one string to play punk, etc. Guess it didn't come off right.

 

[Russell L]

~ 15s Rule!!! ~

Especially in pairs.