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Spector Club - Part 8

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#41
NKUSigEp said:
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't have the equipment to prove you wrong so I guess I'll never find out for sure. If anyone's interested in a Tonepump pre, I'll be posting one up for sale in the next couple of days. :D Like I've said before, I don't hate it but the lack of a blend as opposed to the two volumes is the deal-breaker for me. :smug:
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Why can't you wire it with blend rather than volume/volume?
That's wiring configuration, not the pre. :hmm:
 
#42
rockstarbassist said:
Every Euro I touched w/ the Tone Pump preamp was boost only. It had no center detent to indicate "flat". It just had (like the Volume controls) 0-100%. This is as current as of 2 months ago when G.C. had a used Euro LX w/ a spalted maple top on the wall that I used to test out some amps.

Are you saying that 50% boost is "flat" on the Tone Pump pres...? :o And if so, how do you "know" you're actually at 50%?
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No, no, no. Whether the "pot" has a center detent is meaningless. And it's never been a "50%" configuration. Go back and read the 2 threads about it that are linked. All the info is there.

I do, however, agree with everybody that this is a frustrating issue (and not well thought out in application). The lack of a "flat" detent (whether center or whatever) is definately a "looked better on paper" issue.
 
#43
PhatBasstard said:
Why can't you wire it with blend rather than volume/volume?
That's wiring configuration, not the pre. :hmm:
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Why should I have to wire anything on a $2k bass? I understand the principles of mass-production but when hundreds of other basses come with preamps with a much more intelligent design, it's an issue. :scowl:

There seems to be a large enough voice in opposition not to ignore it and at least look into it. When people would rather buy a Rebop and update the pickups and pre as opposed to spending thousands on a Euro that they would still have to swap out the preamp on...this makes no cents/sense for Spector to continue it.


PhatBasstard said:
...I do, however, agree with everybody that this is a frustrating issue (and not well thought out in application). The lack of a "flat" detent (whether center or whatever) is definately a "looked better on paper" issue.
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+1
 
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I love Spector. :)
 
#46
^^^ Finally, something positive to kill all the tone pump whining :)

All I have to say about the tone pump is, use your ears. If anything, this should teach most of us a lesson. We were making assumptions about the circuit (albeit based off of faulty information) and trying to dial in tones that werent "there".

Maybe we should all stop for a second and just think about dialing in a good tone, instead of knowing/wondering where "flat" is/was/supposed to be. That's what were supposed to do right? Who cares about 50hz boosted this much, or 500hz cut that much or whatever. Who cares what things say on paper, or what someone else says about it, you have to see it, hear it, experience it for yourself.

Bass playing is about FEEL is it not? Shouldnt you be able to FEEL and HEAR to know when you have the right tone for your instrument/style or whatever else? Turn the knobs until you get something good and friggin play. That's what were here to do.

I understand the misinformation is annoying and well.. unprofessional in a sense. But at the end of the day, we all should have been using our ears anyways, not relying on a a schematic or display sheet telling us what frequency was where and how much. We all should have realized and learned how and where the EQ knobs reacted and what changes it brought to the instrument.

Sure, in a perfect world we'd all make small changes to this, that and the other thing.. we all have personal preferences. If you dont like it, change it. Every instrument brand will have something you dont quite like, it's impossible that everyone will be happy with the same thing.

Using the cost of the instrument as a justification for your frustrations isnt right either. Who cares if the instrument costs 100$ or 10,000$, the builder puts in what he thinks will best suit the instrument. The simplicity of the Tonepump did the trick for Stuart and does so for a lot of people, it's simple and easy to use. Using your EARS, you should be able to quickly find a tone you're happy with.

Again, feel, listen hear it out. I dont necessarily like the Tonepump myself either, I have a much more complex pre amp in my bass, but I dont sit there figuring out what frequency Im sweeping to or how much Ill cut or boost. I FEEL it out until the sounds I want out of my bass pops right out of my amp. C'est tout, point finale. End of story. And actually, honestly quite recently Ive been thinking about swapping the Tonepump that came with my Euro back in for simplicities sake. More knobs = more time spent twiddling and less time playing.

Keep posting more pictures, cause regardless of any electronics issues, Spectors are still beautiful instruments.
 
#47
NKUSigEp said:
Why should I have to wire anything on a $2k bass? I understand the principles of mass-production but when hundreds of other basses come with preamps with a much more intelligent design...
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Spector has looked into it. The Czech basses (and many 4 control USA's) used to be wired vol/blend. For whatever reason, they changed it.

FWIW, I also prefer the vol/blend configuration. My USA NS2 and NS5CRFM have that. My 6 string and Euro4 happen to come with the Vol/Vol configuration. It just hasn't bothered me enough to change them yet.

I'm just not seeing your point about the pre and the pot configuration. It's much easier to get the blend pot and replace one of the volumes with it, switch a few wires and "bang" you're done. Pulling the pre and all the guts (you're going to have to switch to a blend pot anyway) to fix a vol/vol vs. a vol/blend issue (Rather than just switching the one pot and a few wires) makes no sense unless you're unhappy with the pre itself.
Any double pickup pre, thats not surface/circuit board mounted (Haz-Lab/Spector 9volt), can be easily wired either way.
I'm not sure of your level of electronics/wiring knowledge, but in a nutshell, you're replacing the whole horse and carriage because you don't like one of the wheels on the carriage. :hmm:
It's really an easy change (blend knob) to make.

I have no opinion on which configuration is "more intelligent".
I "prefer" the blend, but I've seen just as many people argue vol/vol in other threads, so...........
 
#53
bobunit said:
Instead of doing that, sell your red one so you have the green to buy the green ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]). I'm pretty sure it belongs to TB'er Your41Plague12 :D
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Eh. I'm actually looking to get rid of it to fund a Legend or RG2228. Not in the market for any more Euro Spectors.
 
#57
bobunit said:
Instead of doing that, sell your red one so you have the green to buy the green ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]). I'm pretty sure it belongs to TB'er Your41Plague12 :D
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I texted him and it's been sold already. The green and the natural NS5CRFM is exactly what I've been looking for to replace the Euro 4LX I've got tuned BEAD. :bawl:
 
#58
NKUSigEp said:
I texted him and it's been sold already. The green and the natural NS5CRFM is exactly what I've been looking for to replace the Euro 4LX I've got tuned BEAD. :bawl:
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If I had known about "The Green".....:atoz:

Back when Mars Music finally closed up shop here,
they let a new Euro4 & Euro5 walk out for $600 & $700.
They were the last two Spectors and nobody wanted them because they were.......Green.
 
#59
I found a few nice Spectors Im interested in. Both are at guitar stores (neither one is GC) but they are far away so I cant try either out,

First is a rebop 4 string. Its $450 plus shipping with a spector gig bag.

Second is a NS2A, real nice shape, non original hard shell case. $600 plus shipping.
 
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