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Stereo or Biamp

I have two identical cabs I really like. They are 4 ohm cabs. The only amp that I have that can go to 2 ohms is a Quilter BB800 and the advice on their site is not to run it at high volume with a 2 ohm load.
So should I get another Quilter and run a stereo or biamp set up?

Thanks for any advice!
BFG

What other amps do you have? If you like the Quilter and cabs, you could always another amp as a slave. PITA but perfectly workable.

Riis
 
Riis,
Let’s see… my go to besides the Quilter is a Milkman Half & Half 700. I also have an Ashdown EVO II 500, an Eden VT-40, and an SWR Studio 220.

I’m not opposed to getting a 2 ohm capable head necessarily, but there’s precious few that I like tone wise that don’t weigh a ton and the ones I really like are more $$$.

I thought about the stereo and biamp situations because I had an SWR SM-400s back in the day and it was great in stereo mode, albeit not real strong volume wise.
 
What would you want to achieve? If you want to get louder by running both cabs, I'd get a head rated down to 2 Ohms rather than have duplicate cabs & heads. YMMV ;)
I want to have ample volume (5 piece band including me, playing classic and modern rock to back a phenomenal singer - hard hitting drummer, keys, and likely a two guitar ensemble). Mostly I just want to sound good in support of the songs.
 
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I have two identical cabs I really like. They are 4 ohm cabs. The only amp that I have that can go to 2 ohms is a Quilter BB800 and the advice on their site is not to run it at high volume with a 2 ohm load.
So should I get another Quilter and run a stereo or biamp set up?

Thanks for any advice!
BFG
IMHO the best terms are dual mono, multi-amp or adding a slave. What you are asking about is not correctly called stereo or biamp.

Do you actually need more volume than one cab can deliver? Sometimes hooking up two amps causes hum that can be challenging to eliminate. Slaving a second BB800 into a matching cab should give you 6dB more headroom.

The BB800 has an XLR line out and an XLR line in. It may be possible to use these to slave two BB800s. Ask Quilter. The online manual says the line out can be used to drive outboard power amps. So my guess is you can salve two BB800 or you could hook up a power amp.

The Bass Block 800 is not a current model. The V803 is the current model and it has an effects loop. Depending on how the loop is set up, you may be able to slave one V803 to another. Again ask quilter.


You could probably use a Y cable or pedal that splits the signal like an MXR M108S 10-band graphic EQ. Slaving two amps means you only have to fiddle with one set of controls. If you split the signal and plug into each amps instrument input, you are multiamping and you have to fiddle with the controls on both amps.
 
I want to have ample volume (5 piece band including me, playing classic and modern rock to back a phenomenal singer - hard hitting drummer, keys, and likely a two guitar ensemble). Mostly I just want to sound good in support of the songs.
I'd go with a 2 Ohm capable head. Simple is good. More complicated only wins if it sounds better.
 
I have two identical cabs I really like. They are 4 ohm cabs. The only amp that I have that can go to 2 ohms is a Quilter BB800 and the advice on their site is not to run it at high volume with a 2 ohm load.
So should I get another Quilter and run a stereo or biamp set up?

Thanks for any advice!
BFG
If you're going to buy an amp just buy one that goes down to 2Ω and be done with it. There are fewer amps today that will handle a 2Ω load but among others Mesa has 800-watt rms amps that will handle a 2Ω load. A LOT, but not all, of the older Eden WT amps will handle a 2Ω load. Drawback with them is they are the class AB amps and typically weigh around 19 to25 or even 30-lbs. They pretty much all sound great, they're just heavy and old.

I think you are mistaking running two cabs at once as running in "bi-amp" mode. Bi-amp is running one amp that can send the lows to a cab with woofers and the high mids and highs to a cab with a tweeter and typically has a "crossover control" that allows you to set what frequency you want to use to divide the two signals. That was real popular back in the 80's when GK put out their RB800, which put out a total of 400-watts rms.

If you ran that RB800 in bi-amp mode, it would send 300-watts with the low frequencies into a woofer cab and 100-watts with the highs and high mids to "high" cab. The high cab was typically a full width tweeter horn back then like you'd see on a voice of the theater cab above the woofer. With modern day cabs, it would be a waste of a full frequency cab to run the highs into one of them because the only thing producing sound in such a 212 would be that round tweeter horn. Those additional two 12" speakers would be totally quiet in the "high" cab. Nothing would come out of the woofers in that cab. So don't confuse bi-amp with a dual-mono set up. That's dual-mono is also sometimes called stereo although it's not a true stereo where different parts of the signal are panned to one or the other side. Both sides would produce the same sound, so I think dual-mono is a better description of it.

I have an Eden WT500/800 that has two power channels. Each power channel will produce 400-watts rms into a 4Ω load. So I can plug a separate 4Ω cab into each power channel and each cab will get 400-watts. If I only want to use one cab, my amp will bridge those two power sections together and put out 800-watts into one 8Ω cab. Has to be an 8Ω cab for me because each channel has to be operating at a 4Ω load to run bridged and it has to go into 8Ω because, as best I understand it, it has to run those two channels together with an internal series connection to produce a bridged output. The much later Eden WT800C could bridge into 4Ω, but that's because each channel could handle a 2Ω load themselves.

If you don't want to buy an amp that will handle a 2Ω load, another option is to run a master/slave amp scenario. That allows the "master amp" to send a preamp signal directly to the power section of the second "slave" amp. The only thing that works on the slave amp is the master. So you set it up and adjust both amps to the sound blend that you want and then any changes to the EQ in the master amp will automatically be carried through to the slave amp. You'll get two amp+212 cab rigs that sound exactly the same. Even if your using different brand amps, they will produce a sound that matches the master amp because the master amp is supplying the EQ and character of that amp and the slave amp is only using its power section. Be aware though that if you turn up one amp, you will have to adjust the master of the other one to keep that balanced sound you had before you decided to increase or decrease the sound level.

I did that for a while before 2010 when I was using separate amps for my two cabs and then used that same trick again in 2016 to bypass the preamp in a small Peavey 112 combo with the Eden WT preamp built into my WTDI pedal (DI with Eden WT preamp included) by plugging my pedal into the effects-in/return. Suddenly that little Peavey 112 combo sounded like my Eden amps and cabs.

To accomplish that with a master-amp/slave-amp rig, you just have to run the effects-out/send from the master-amp to the effects-in/return of the slave-amp. Depending on how your master amp's preamp is made you may need to use a Y cord in the middle of that connection so you can send that effects-out signal both to the slave amp and back into the master amp's effects-in/return as well.

But really, if you have to buy another amp instead of using something you already have, just buy an amp that will handle a 2Ω load and be done with it.
 
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Thanks to everyone for the replies so far. I do know what biamp mode is, and I realize that it would involve radical EQ tweaks using two identical amps and possibly employing a crossover. Or even getting an amp with the biamp feature designed into it.
Anyhoo… considering the newer Mesa Boogie 800D or perhaps an M9 Carbine. I’ll let ya know how it shakes out.
 
So when Quilter says it can run in 2 ohm but lower volume, are they really saying they that the minimum impedance is 4 Ohm. Euphonic Audio also had a similar statement and my friend ran 2 ohms and he interpreted lower volume as 1 o'clock on the master and he toasted his amp. EA did have a 2 ohm capable amp but most of the micro heads are not.
 
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I think the BB800’s XLR out and XLR input are designed to be used for exactly this purpose. BB800’s are cheap on the used market, small, and light. I’d get another BB800 and then you have a variety of setups. A small rig, a really loud big rig, and a backup amp.
 
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I have two identical cabs I really like. They are 4 ohm cabs. The only amp that I have that can go to 2 ohms is a Quilter BB800 and the advice on their site is not to run it at high volume with a 2 ohm load.
So should I get another Quilter and run a stereo or biamp set up?

Thanks for any advice!
BFG
How well does any of your available amps individually run at 8 ohm? Loud enough for your purposes? You could construct a special “Y” speaker cable wired in series instead of the usual parallel in order for the two cabs to offer an 8 ohm load in tandem. But be careful…either know what you’re doing yourself or else have someone absolutely knowledgeable to to make it for you, and have it clearly marked. Otherwise, there are junction/splitter boxes available that can be switched to that mode.
 
I use a two channel rackmount power amp for this purpose. For many years I used a rackmount preamp along with the power amp (first a BBE BMax, then a SansAmp), but more recently I downsized to a nice and slim two-space rack with just the power amp in it and use a Mesa Subway DI on my pedalboard as the preamp. Works great for me, reliable wattage in PA-style power amps is relatively cheap, and it makes matching cabs together a breeze since each cab gets its own separate power anyway.

If you want a bass amp, aside from the relatively small number of amps that are 2 ohm stable, there are also a relatively small number of amps out there that also have two power channels and can power two 4 ohm cabs that way (e.g. Genz Benz ShuttleMax 12).
 
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I have two identical cabs I really like. They are 4 ohm cabs. The only amp that I have that can go to 2 ohms is a Quilter BB800 and the advice on their site is not to run it at high volume with a 2 ohm load.
So should I get another Quilter and run a stereo or biamp set up?

Thanks for any advice!

Well I’ve used biamped and stereo rigs and mismatched cabs on and off for 50 years. I still have a a biamp and stereo rig (Eden WT-1250 with the WT-100 Navigator preamp which can be used to biamp or stereo and enough cabs for either. Cabs today are largely designed to be “full range” as opposed to years past which kind of eliminates the need for biamp using a crossover. As for stereo it’s very useful for balancing cab output when using two different cabs. Unless, there some sort of esoteric sonic art one is trying to accomplish, when you get about 15 to 20 feet away from your rig, it’s going to sound like a bass like anyone that’s running a single mono rig.

But, in answer to your dilemma, a second amp would work but don’t expect double the volume.