Stereo or Biamp

[Zooberwerx]

Not to hijack the thread but why aren’t there more stereo bass amps. I personally use chorus quite a bit and pedals a lot of times have stereo outputs but most end up just running it mono

Loses context within the realm of backline and house sound. Does sound great thru headphones, though.

Riis

 

[agedhorse]

Not to hijack the thread but why aren’t there more stereo bass amps. I personally use chorus quite a bit and pedals a lot of times have stereo outputs but most end up just running it mono

A very low demand makes it difficult to develop and produce an amp for.

 

[edwinhurwitz]

Loses context within the realm of backline and house sound. Does sound great thru headphones, though.

Riis

I’ve found stereo effects to be quite, well, effective, at FOH.

 

[agedhorse]

I’ve found stereo effects to be quite, well, effective, at FOH.

Depends on the application and room. A little separation can go a long way in some rooms and sometimes no separation results in a more consistent mix.

 

[edwinhurwitz]

Depends on the application and room. A little separation can go a long way in some rooms and sometimes no separation results in a more consistent mix.

I think that depends on what you are going for.

 

[Bar Band Bassman]

Genz Benz Shuttlemax 12.0

BBB

 

[walterw]

I’ve found stereo effects to be quite, well, effective, at FOH.

judging by the bass in your avatar pic that's not surprising

 

[walterw]

Or, if you have an 8 ohm head, wired the cabinets in series with each other.

no good

the reduced power from the amp means you often end up with the same or maybe even less volume than the one cab by itself

 

[walterw]

I have two identical cabs I really like. They are 4 ohm cabs

what are the actual cabs? this is the problem with small 4Ω cabs, one may not be enough but running two presents amp problems

(now if you tell us they're SVT fridges then you're on your own )

 

[agedhorse]

I think that depends on what you are going for.

Also depends on the room and where the PA is located.

When I was touring and using house or brought in systems (rather than one of ours), I would often have to make compromises for better coverage versus stereo image. Even bringing in PA didn’t guarantee adequate placement for stereo image and there were rooms where an entirely mono mix resulted in a better, more consistent audience experience.

 

[pepj]

Its not going to be stereo..its just going to be a mono signal through 2 amps.
It isn't going to be bi amp without a crossover.

And then when all is said and done both concepts are great in theory but you don't actually gain very much bar being louder

 

[walterw]

Also depends on the room and where the PA is located.

When I was touring and using house or brought in systems (rather than one of ours), I would often have to make compromises for better coverage versus stereo image. Even bringing in PA didn’t guarantee adequate placement for stereo image and there were rooms where an entirely mono mix resulted in a better, more consistent audience experience.

but not on bass, right? you weren't messing with panning stereo fx on the bass guitar were you?

 

[agedhorse]

but not on bass, right? you weren't messing with panning stereo fx on the bass guitar were you?

Just a general statement, occasionally I saw a stereo bass signal but usually it didn't make any difference between that stereo or mono in the house anyway.

 

[bassfootballguy]

The cabs are Audiokinesis Thunderchild 12 version one.

 

[edwinhurwitz]

Also depends on the room and where the PA is located.

When I was touring and using house or brought in systems (rather than one of ours), I would often have to make compromises for better coverage versus stereo image. Even bringing in PA didn’t guarantee adequate placement for stereo image and there were rooms where an entirely mono mix resulted in a better, more consistent audience experience.

That’s true for most situations and likely most players, but in my case, much of the stereo effects come from delays and reverbs and in the context of drums and space, where consistency isn’t the goal. I’m using them to create a much more diffuse sound or soundscapes. It works great in the rooms where I play (800-10k capacity) where the PA systems are quite effective.

 

[walterw]

The cabs are Audiokinesis Thunderchild 12 version one.

so very compact single 12+horn boxes?

yeah, it probably wasn't the best choice to get them in 4Ω; not only are you running into amp problems driving two of them, but apparently 4Ω drivers compared to otherwise identical 8Ω drivers are often less efficient, meaning that even if they pull more power from the amp they don't actually get any louder than the 8Ω version

i wonder how hard it would be to swap drivers in them and make them 8Ω boxes? does audiokinesis sell the right replacement drivers?

 

[Passinwind]

so very compact single 12+horn boxes?

yeah, it probably wasn't the best choice to get them in 4Ω; not only are you running into amp problems driving two of them, but apparently 4Ω drivers compared to otherwise identical 8Ω drivers are often less efficient, meaning that even if they pull more power from the amp they don't actually get any louder than the 8Ω version

i wonder how hard it would be to swap drivers in them and make them 8Ω boxes? does audiokinesis sell the right replacement drivers?

The v1 drivers are a proprietary OEM spec and were only made in 4 ohms. So you’d need one of Duke’s later crossovers meant for an off the shelf 8 ohm Kappalite 3012LF and be willing to accept the later models’ tone profile, which I personally do not prefer. I love my v1 cab but in ny case just one was nearly always enough for my gigs and I just brought a bigger gun if and when needed.

 

[walterw]

you’d need one of Duke’s later crossovers meant for an off the shelf 8 ohm Kappalite 3012LF and be willing to accept the later models’ tone profile, which I personally do not prefer

so spending a bunch of money to rebuild the cab into something it's not meant to be

yeah, probably not the answer then