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Stigma for not playing Fender

personally I love building the instruments as much or more than playing them. When I decided to build a short scale bass I chose to emulate fenders, but not because of any stigma. For me it was the practicality of having all of the electronics mounted on the pick guard, along with the vast variety of parts that can fit on a fender guard. Separating the woodworking and the electronics simplified the process considerably. I have never owned a true fender, but the Bass VI "knockoff" I built has incredible sound and sustain that goes for weeks... I built it as a curiosity, just to play around with, it quickly became my favorite instrument.

On a side note, along the same lines:..
My off brand drums I play now sound better than my Pearl drums from my heyday. I also used to be a Zildjian snob, but now use a variety, including Paste.

Bottom line...… The brand name means very little to those who know how to really play.
 
A few people have asked me “what’s wrong with Fender?” when I’ve brought my Fodera P, but all I’ve ever responded is “this plays better, sounds better” and since it DOES, nobody has anything else to say.

But yeah Smith, Fodera, Tobias all go over no prob in Worship groups. And very few hang onto the Fender thing enough to give you side-eye let alone say something. Mostly when they do they just want to interact and it feels like something they can ask you and sound quasi-knowledgeable.
That is the perfect response, same thing I say with my Wal.
 
Does playing in a P+W band really pay that well that people can afford to give attitude? I wouldn't have thought so, but I've never attended a church that had any sort of band so I'm ignorant on the subject.

Not so much that it pays well (quite the contrary in many cases), more that the "worship team" in churches that feature them prominently typically has a waiting list of musicians in their own congregation who'd be overjoyed to be called up to play any given Sunday. That gives the worship leader a lot of power to dictate terms, because if you won't accept them, he has a list of people who will, very enthusiastically.

That said, I must reiterate I've never been a part of a team where much attention if any was paid to brands or models of gear, as long as it worked and you knew how to play them. If I were to find myself in a situation where someone in the band or staff took issue with my instrument, other than because I was playing a Warlock or had a pentagram decal on it, I would probably tell them that if they had a problem with the gear I played, they had a problem with me.
 
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Me, in church, this past Sunday. Fretless G&L. Everybody loved it.
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I think there are small pockets of that kind of ignorance. But it's not pervasive.

That being said, if your plan is to be a bass player for hire, it would he wise to have an FSO (Fender Shaped Object) in your arsenal. If the ignorance outranks you, you just have to deal with it. It's their way or the highway. If you do x, you get the gig. If you don't do x, you won't be called back.

In this case, x = show up with a Fender bass.
It does have frets. Seems like a "Precision Bass" to me.
 
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From everything I'm seeing, non-standard basses (i.e. not Fender passive four bangers) are used just as often in P&W and have been for quite some time now. That format embraced the low B right along with several other genres and it's almost the new standard.

Thanks, I'm not overly religious, but whenever I've been to some kind of P&W, I would agree that a 5 string (with a low B) seems to be pretty standard. In all honesty, most P&W bands are likely to have very good sound systems, and they play in the same room, with the same sound gut, so their sound is likely very good and able to get the most out of a B string.

If there's one fault I've seen in most P&W bands (and all bands in general), it's usually the leader being turned up too loud compared to everyone else. Like lots of band leaders, they tend to think that more of themselves is always better.
 
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Similar to those that consider the Precision Bass the "one bass to rule them all" (and probably justifiably so), I've noticed there's a lot of emphasis in a lot of places that if you aren't playing a Fender, that you don't have "the sound/authenticity" (sorry Gibson).

Example: worship music. You play a Fender Jazz or a Fender P and those are your choices. You show up to a big church with something that's not a Fender and you'll get some looks.
Seems like this is also the sentiment for studio as well. You're using a Fender P, Fender Jazz, or a Fender active 5.

It feels like there's some stigma about the instrument not being legitimate if it's not a Fender. What are your experiences?

Maybe it's just me?
Discuss?
Playing across 4 states (Texas, PA, Utah, Colorado), not a single band, venue, etc has ever brought up my lack of a fender, other than 1 guitar player thanking me for not playing a "boring" fender. During that time I've been primarily a Spector or Schector player, with the occasional Ibanez. The spectors usually get a lot of praise from new bandmates.
 
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I’ve played 500 plus church services in the last 5 years, without ever bringing a Fender, or having anyone suggest I should get one. The last 4 years, it’s been all my builds. I get plenty of unsolicited compliments on my tone, and I keep getting called back.

I have had people hire me to make their Fenders (and a few Laklands, but I digress) sound more like my basses. One of them was a brand new Ultra Jazz.

Stigma for not playing a Fender? I’ve never seen it in 40 plus years of playing bass.
 
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I think the stigma is actually traditional vs. modern.

Some genres just argue for a more traditional bass guitar. It’s both functional and visual. Other genres are more accepting of modern equipment.

A Fender P Bass works in almost all contexts.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
 
I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I'll show up to a hard rock / Southern metal try out with a fretless Jazz bass and voice my disdain toward stainless steel strings and Ampeg and be looked at like I insulted someones mother. That normally ends once we go through a couple Pantera or Cliff era Metallica covers.
 
Similar to those that consider the Precision Bass the "one bass to rule them all" (and probably justifiably so), I've noticed there's a lot of emphasis in a lot of places that if you aren't playing a Fender, that you don't have "the sound/authenticity" (sorry Gibson).

Example: worship music. You play a Fender Jazz or a Fender P and those are your choices. You show up to a big church with something that's not a Fender and you'll get some looks.
Seems like this is also the sentiment for studio as well. You're using a Fender P, Fender Jazz, or a Fender active 5.

It feels like there's some stigma about the instrument not being legitimate if it's not a Fender. What are your experiences?

Maybe it's just me?
Discuss?
No one I know has ever cared about me not using a Fender.