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Stolen Rickenbacker 4001

A little lengthy, but here's my story. In 1995 I owned just 3 basses: a 1968 Rick model 4000, a 1973 Rick 4001 and a 1987 Rick 4003. I was in between bands and really wasn't playing much at all. Christmas of '95 my two kids from my "practice" marriage were visiting for the holiday. My 15 year old son expressed interest in learning bass. So I made the decision to send the 4001 fireglo home with him to learn on. I would ask from time-to-time how it was coming along, always the same "ok". He moved out on his own when he turned 18 and had the bass with him, not doing much, but still trying.
After a couple of bands I finally hooked up with the band I'm still in today. So time went by and I would ask now and then about the bass. He told me it was at his mom's house and I just kind of let it go. Finally around 2004 or so I decided since he's not using it I'll just take it back for a while and gig with it. I called him and told him I wanted to use it for a while. "Well", came the reply, "I never told you, but it was in my car that was stolen a few years ago". The car was found, burnt to a crisp. 'Ok, so you told the police?' "yeah" Would have been nice to have known sooner, but at this point waddaya gonna do?
Last summer I was perusing Craigslist when low and behold there it was. This guy had several pics of it including the SN, case and all. $1800. It still has the black PG that I put on it, I still have the original white guard for it.
So I called my son and told him to go get that police report. He went to the police station, got the report and guess what? there's no mention at all of there being a bass in the car. He told them, but they failed to put it in the report. So I can prove all day long that I once owned the bass, but I cannot prove it was stolen. The cops advised not to call the person because that would be harassment. It is my guess that the way he posted the ad with all the pictures and info, he bought the bass legitimately and has no idea it was stolen. I can tell you what is written under the pickguard, I can show you where the binding was broken off and glued back on the neck (cymbal attack) and I have pictures of the bass.
I've gotten all kinds of advice from friends on how to just go get it back, some even suggested that maybe he'll sell it to me for what he paid for it. Buy my bass twice? No. I didn't call him. Still have his number, but legally there's not much I can do. A lawyer would ask 'How do we know your son didn't sell the bass for gas or beer money?'
It's the fireglo in the middle.
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My guess is he hasn't paid you back in any way has he? :rollno:
He 's actually my son. When I say practice marriage I mean the one that didn't work out,,, a learning experience. My son was young and well, mistakes happen. He has done much for me over the years and continues to do so. I chalk it up to Karma as I did things when I was young that caused my parents both grief and money.
Out of the 3 Ricks in that pic the 4001 was my least favorite. It's a December 1973, so by then all the transitions had been made by Rickenbacker. The early 1973's still had checkerboard binding, toaster neck pups and edge to edge fret markers. By December they had dropped all those features and were using the pole pups and smaller white markers. Also the bridge pickup surround had the straight front on it and with my attack I would get a lot of clacking sounds out of it. The neck is a little fatter than my 4000 and even the 4003. Having said that, I'm not glad it's gone, I'm just glad it wasn't one of my other ones.
 
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No disrespect intended to anyone...
I just know how I would feel. It would be harder on me than losing my own property. I feel like I'd be obligated to make it up to that person. Hopefully you guys still have a good relationship and you find a bass that will replace that one and then some.
 
A little lengthy, but here's my story. In 1995 I owned just 3 basses: a 1968 Rick model 4000, a 1973 Rick 4001 and a 1987 Rick 4003. I was in between bands and really wasn't playing much at all. Christmas of '95 my two kids from my "practice" marriage were visiting for the holiday. My 15 year old son expressed interest in learning bass. So I made the decision to send the 4001 fireglo home with him to learn on. I would ask from time-to-time how it was coming along, always the same "ok". He moved out on his own when he turned 18 and had the bass with him, not doing much, but still trying.
After a couple of bands I finally hooked up with the band I'm still in today. So time went by and I would ask now and then about the bass. He told me it was at his mom's house and I just kind of let it go. Finally around 2004 or so I decided since he's not using it I'll just take it back for a while and gig with it. I called him and told him I wanted to use it for a while. "Well", came the reply, "I never told you, but it was in my car that was stolen a few years ago". The car was found, burnt to a crisp. 'Ok, so you told the police?' "yeah" Would have been nice to have known sooner, but at this point waddaya gonna do?
Last summer I was perusing Craigslist when low and behold there it was. This guy had several pics of it including the SN, case and all. $1800. It still has the black PG that I put on it, I still have the original white guard for it.
So I called my son and told him to go get that police report. He went to the police station, got the report and guess what? there's no mention at all of there being a bass in the car. He told them, but they failed to put it in the report. So I can prove all day long that I once owned the bass, but I cannot prove it was stolen. The cops advised not to call the person because that would be harassment. It is my guess that the way he posted the ad with all the pictures and info, he bought the bass legitimately and has no idea it was stolen. I can tell you what is written under the pickguard, I can show you where the binding was broken off and glued back on the neck (cymbal attack) and I have pictures of the bass.
I've gotten all kinds of advice from friends on how to just go get it back, some even suggested that maybe he'll sell it to me for what he paid for it. Buy my bass twice? No. I didn't call him. Still have his number, but legally there's not much I can do. A lawyer would ask 'How do we know your son didn't sell the bass for gas or beer money?'
It's the fireglo in the middle.View attachment 2889249
Would love to hear more about the 4000,and its transformation...
 
Would love to hear more about the 4000,and its transformation...
Woody, I bought the 4000 on Dec 21st 1983 (my birthday) from an ad in the local paper. Paid $200 for it. Here's a pic of what it looked like when I got it. Along with the stolen 4001 (see what I did there?) It had an active, P-style pup in it with the battery under the makeshift plastic surround. The guard had extra holes drilled in it for the switches. It was a mess.

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After a couple of mods and some research I knew what I wanted to find. I was able to purchase a re-issue horseshoe pup for it and I found a guy here in Columbus who makes pickguards, Pickguardian.com, so I had him make a new, correct guard and he also makes replica tug bars so I had one of those made for it as well. The saddle broke in half, so I had to buy a newer Rick tailpiece for it. Oh yeah, it started out life as a fireglo, but that was stripped long before I acquired it, Not much original about it, but it's still my favorite. Here's what it looks like today.
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Actually that's an Allparts tailpiece that has since been replaced with a mid 70's Rick tailpiece.
 
Woody, I bought the 4000 on Dec 21st 1983 (my birthday) from an ad in the local paper. Paid $200 for it. Here's a pic of what it looked like when I got it. Along with the stolen 4001 (see what I did there?) It had an active, P-style pup in it with the battery under the makeshift plastic surround. The guard had extra holes drilled in it for the switches. It was a mess.

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After a couple of mods and some research I knew what I wanted to find. I was able to purchase a re-issue horseshoe pup for it and I found a guy here in Columbus who makes pickguards, Pickguardian.com, so I had him make a new, correct guard and he also makes replica tug bars so I had one of those made for it as well. The saddle broke in half, so I had to buy a newer Rick tailpiece for it. Oh yeah, it started out life as a fireglo, but that was stripped long before I acquired it, Not much original about it, but it's still my favorite. Here's what it looks like today.
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Actually that's an Allparts tailpiece that has since been replaced with a mid 70's Rick tailpiece.
Thanks,that’s a beauty,and a really rare early one. Love that headstock!
(What’s the neck profile like on it? Superthin,or chunky?)