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Stoner / Doom Bassist Thread - Part 18

#21
So looking for some general advice from you guys. Our guitarist got a $500 gift card at a local professional studio that is highly regarded. The studio tells us that $500 is enough for a full lockout day of tracking, which is 10 hours of recording with no mixing or mastering.

They do a demo package for $900 that is 10 hours of recording, mastering and mixing for 3 songs.

Right now we're at 6 complete and giggable songs that puts us around 40 minutes. Our current thought process is we'll use the $500 to record all of our tracks. Then we can master a couple to put online as demos ourselves (or a friend paid in booze) and figure out how much money we want to spend on getting the album mixed and mastered.

Does that sound like a feasible idea? As many bands as I've been in, I've never actually recorded in a studio before. Timing was always off.
 
#24
askrere said:
Hmm... Well I plan to use the windsor as my high mids and dirt in conjuction with another amp as my low mids and bass and clean.

At the same time, I know I'll be using it by itself, and while I have no inclination to turn this into a dub machine, I do want to turn it into a nice bass friendly amp. I am doing a few mods a guy suggested from this forum, to hopefully drop the distortion and gain down and beef it up.

If a choke will drop hiss/add low end that sounds like a win. What do you mean by sag though, because I always read people love the sag of a tube amp for overdrive, and I don't want to eliminate the tube goodness.
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all tube amps sag because the power supply is unregulated and the caps are too small (in the grand giant scheme of power supplies) so once you get on the amp the supply voltages all drop down. The amount of sag you get it a function of a few things.

1. Cap Values
2. Solid State or Tube Recto
3. Secondary winding resistance
4. Transformer regulation
5. Choke or no Choke

So a diode rectified amp with high value caps using an overbuilt PT and a choke should have the least amount of sag but it will have some power supply sag but compare it to a 5e3 with a tube recto, low value caps and no choke, and your amp would be like a stiff upper lip.
 
#26
Lazarus.Bird said:
So looking for some general advice from you guys. Our guitarist got a $500 gift card at a local professional studio that is highly regarded. The studio tells us that $500 is enough for a full lockout day of tracking, which is 10 hours of recording with no mixing or mastering.

They do a demo package for $900 that is 10 hours of recording, mastering and mixing for 3 songs.

Right now we're at 6 complete and giggable songs that puts us around 40 minutes. Our current thought process is we'll use the $500 to record all of our tracks. Then we can master a couple to put online as demos ourselves (or a friend paid in booze) and figure out how much money we want to spend on getting the album mixed and mastered.

Does that sound like a feasible idea? As many bands as I've been in, I've never actually recorded in a studio before. Timing was always off.
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If you can get all your songs cut and he gives you all the data for your recording. I would take that and mix and master it somewhere else. Or if he dies legit stuff, maybe just fork out the extra money for a good 3 song demo. You should be able to talk to him and work it out. If he's not a a$$ and professional he will give you the best bang for your buck. He will want the return service if your fully satisfied.
 
#28
Well for 3 tracks. It would obviously be more if we were doing the whole album.

We could always bring the recordings back to them and ask them to mix and master it. Ideally I'm just trying to prevent us from being in a situation where we don't end up paying twice for the same thing (rerecording songs, having tracks mastered again in case we do them somewhere else, etc).

Also, this looks cool: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
 
#29
Lazarus.Bird said:
So looking for some general advice from you guys. Our guitarist got a $500 gift card at a local professional studio that is highly regarded. The studio tells us that $500 is enough for a full lockout day of tracking, which is 10 hours of recording with no mixing or mastering.

They do a demo package for $900 that is 10 hours of recording, mastering and mixing for 3 songs.

Right now we're at 6 complete and giggable songs that puts us around 40 minutes. Our current thought process is we'll use the $500 to record all of our tracks. Then we can master a couple to put online as demos ourselves (or a friend paid in booze) and figure out how much money we want to spend on getting the album mixed and mastered.

Does that sound like a feasible idea? As many bands as I've been in, I've never actually recorded in a studio before. Timing was always off.
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I don't care how good you are. 10 hours is not enough time for 6 songs. Everything takes 10 times as long in the studio. This is not a slight on Supervoid. It is a hard truth learned through many attempts at "quick" sessions.
 
#30
dunwichamps said:
So a diode rectified amp with high value caps using an overbuilt PT and a choke should have the least amount of sag but it will have some power supply sag but compare it to a 5e3 with a tube recto, low value caps and no choke, and your amp would be like a stiff upper lip.
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Sorry I sound like a moron, but what does that mean exactly for me tone wise and for the amps physical integrity.

I am trying to learn though, need to find some books. My dad and I are also on the hunt for a tube tester and oscilloscope. Also my sisters grandpa is a old tube tech from back in the day.
 
#32
father of fires said:
I don't care how good you are. 10 hours is not enough time for 6 songs. Everything takes 10 times as long in the studio. This is not a slight on Supervoid. It is a hard truth learned through many attempts at "quick" sessions.
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I'm not offended. Like I said, I haven't recorded before so that's why I'm looking for advice. That was a question we asked ourselves as well.
 
#34
Don't forget. 10 hours includes setting up gear. Picking mic's. Scratch tracks. Potty Breaks. Smoke Breaks. "Smoke" Breaks. Etc.

I say record drums and bass live for three tracks then overdub guitars.

Then come back another day for vocals. Then another day for mixing. Then send it out for mastering. Mastering yourself is like taking your sister to prom.
 
#35
Lazarus.Bird said:
Well for 3 tracks. It would obviously be more if we were doing the whole album.

We could always bring the recordings back to them and ask them to mix and master it. Ideally I'm just trying to prevent us from being in a situation where we don't end up paying twice for the same thing (rerecording songs, having tracks mastered again in case we do them somewhere else, etc).

Also, this looks cool: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
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My suggestion would be to just pick your two best songs and record them. That way you can spend more time on each one. Make sure you're good and tight before you get in there too.
 
#37
beebassdude said:
how is the build compared to an SVT, or compared to your Wizard amp?
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Totally different than an SVT in the overall scope of its design. The SVT is much more overbuilt for bass than the GT200 which is more of a translation of a guitar amp into bass.

The GT200 is close in schematic to a GT120 but they changed the phase inverter into a Williamson to improve the drive to the Kt88 power tubes and use 2 12au7s instead of using a 12ax7 for the phase inverter.

Wizard is a completely different beast all together, a lot of gain stages and its all about sludging up the preamp. That amp also has a long tail pair phase inverter.
 
#38
Lazarus.Bird said:
I'm not offended. Like I said, I haven't recorded before so that's why I'm looking for advice. That was a question we asked ourselves as well.
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just remember, 10 hours doesnt mean 10 hours of recording time. drummer has to come in, set up whole kit, tune whole kit, mic whole kit, get levels, etc. this takes awhile. if youre gonna track instruments one by one you need to play scratch tracks along with him. if you use a click you have to map tempos for each song. if you do the whole thing live you might be able to get a few songs in 10 hours, but remember you gotta setup all the other instruments and make sure they sound right in a live setting.

and something always goes wrong, there will be a bad cable, or a funny patch, or levels wont work, or some mic will pick up something funny, or the computer will crash. these are 100% happenings with any recording.

lol, jeff just posted the same thing, and i wasnt even including smoke breaks and "smoke breaks".
 
#39
askrere said:
Sorry I sound like a moron, but what does that mean exactly for me tone wise and for the amps physical integrity.

I am trying to learn though, need to find some books. My dad and I are also on the hunt for a tube tester and oscilloscope. Also my sisters grandpa is a old tube tech from back in the day.
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it wont have much affect on the overall sag of your amp if thats the core question your asking. Whether or not u like a lot of sag or little sag is up to each user. Generally speaking a choke is nice for removing 60-120 hz hum in the DC lines.
 
#40
dunwichamps said:
it wont have much affect on the overall sag of your amp if thats the core question your asking. Whether or not u like a lot of sag or little sag is up to each user. Generally speaking a choke is nice for removing 60-120 hz hum in the DC lines.
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And for looking like your amp has and extra transformer. You know...for "mojo".

Power supply chokes are big so you'd need real estate on your chassis.
 

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