Stoner/Doom Bassists 84: Name That Amp!

[dozicusmaximus]

Ed is a beast for sure.

I've been getting back into Maiden hardcore lately. I've watched Flight 666 dvd 2, with the live show... 6 or 7 times since Friday... hahaha. And the Live After Death dvd a few times.

 

[JMac- Wiskerface Designs]

I like the Sam Ash store in Richmond too. The best is it the exact next store over from the GC. Usually very helpful when I am there and them and GC will give me shipping boxes very kindly. I bought the Roland drum kit there after they actually closed, and helped me load it up. But if your local one treated you like that then they didn't deserve your cash.
After playing that used MP Jaquar I can see why you dig them so much, the neck was killer, and the pickups were way nicer than expected for that price range. Would be great to snatch up as keeper spare or to slap that neck on a different build. Another sleeper bass I can't get over is that Shechter Raiden Special, I hate the colors, and not crazy over the headstock, but for a cheap bass man the pickups are killer in it, and you can snatch up a used for 200 or less, think I may have to pick one up and do it up B or C standard.

Oh yea, totally their bad, as they missed out on the potential sale of a $1500+ bass. All said, I've been in there a few times and bought some odds and ends things like mic cables, stands, strings, and the like, and they were friendly in that regard (basically pick it off the shelf things, though). Yea, IMO- the neck on the Modern player jag is worth the price of the entire bass. FWIW- none of the maple board-blocked aftermarket necks I've ever seen looked or felt as good. Warmoth would probably be really nice, but for the price, You could buy a Modern player, keep the neck and part it out.
Oh yea, most of the Shechter stuff I've picked up played and sounded really nice, even if I didn't dig the look. One that's always caught My eye was the one that kind of a Ric copy. Always wanted to play one, but never had the opporitunity.

 

[MattS]

Hey dudes, I haven't posted much here, but I do read and follow most of this thread everyday. got a bit of a situation with my band Burrows, wondering if anyone could share some of their experience/info.
We went to the studio and recorded our EP in 2011 www.burrowsmusic.bandcamp.com released it ourselves as a free download. We were very happy with it and still push it. Excellent use of time and money. Since then we've been playing shows, we had a couple line-up changes, and are now aiming to record again.

Our current guitarist has some good experience with recording and the software, we have enough equipment and software to record it ourselves. We want this to sound good, but we also want to learn from it as well. BUT the guitarist and drummer want to record this all live in our rehearsal space; in the same room, mics on the drums and all our amps, and either record the vocals separately OR run a lineout from our PA to the interface and record everything together. Of course there will be some bleed over, but we attempted this lastnight and it sounded pretty good and very little to no bleed over. I don't have much experience recording things myself, other than having recorded 3 albums in studios with a producer at the board. I, personally, think that if we're going to put the time and effort into a recording then we should record in the traditional sense of recording each element separately; I've rationalized everything that this would be more efficient, but my two bandmates are still wanting to record everything live. I can't possibly imagine how a live recording would sound as good or better than a track by track recording. I go with the flow and in this band's almost 4 year existence, we've had zero problems and drama and I consider these guys close friends and it's the most awesome/rewarding/fun band I've ever been in and I'm proud of that and appreciate that, but I just can't understand how/why anyone would do a live recording when there is all the capability and means to do a higherquality studio recording ourselves. I've always been a perfectionist when it comes to recording, especially if it's something that we plan on releasing. I'd rather spend the time writing a few more songs then record, than do this work for a live recording that I can't see sounding as good; For example, "oh dag my distortion was too loud/not loud enough on that part", that means we'd have to do it all over again, rather than just me re-doing that section. Id' be waaaaay more confident with my bass playing doing it all separately, especially since I'm also the lead vocalist.

What should I do? Am I wrong in feeling this way? If so, how can I convince them? what are the pros/cons of each method? it just seems like a waste of time to do a live recording when doing our own studio recording ourselves would be much better quality and take not much more time to do. Thank you for reading. I appreciate any/all responses.

 

[Squanch72]

I played drums in a funky rock/hip hop for a short time, one of their songs was a reggae tune - couldn't get that timing down to save my life.

"Just remember that the bass player rests on one."

Sounded simple enough, but man was that difficult to wrap my head around.

After hearing Marley for years you think you hear the guitar and bass lines when listening but playing along, sheesh. Also got a Led Zep bass book and never realized how much JPJ slighlty changed his riffs. Got schooled sitting in with the girlfriend's father's country band too. Joe we just need you to hit the one and the five, yeah right, the other guys played by ear so much they were lost without me hitting a leading tone, and I had no music and was just winging it, and never really enjoyed playing walking bass lines enough to have them down tight. Needless to say I bought the Friedlands walking bass book after that lesson. Thank goodness they play some classic rock n roll. Been wanting to pick up some Radiohead books since Colin Greenwood is always doing those cool simple riffs but constantly changing them up ever so slightly.

 

[MICKUSS]

A little teaser of the artwork that fellow doomer Stephen (MICKUSS) is doing for us.

Can't wait for you guys to see the final art. Also can't wait to hear the record. The rough jam recordings I've been lucky enough to hear are DOPE.

 

[Squanch72]

Oh yea, totally their bad, as they missed out on the potential sale of a $1500+ bass. All said, I've been in there a few times and bought some odds and ends things like mic cables, stands, strings, and the like, and they were friendly in that regard (basically pick it off the shelf things, though). Yea, IMO- the neck on the Modern player jag is worth the price of the entire bass. FWIW- none of the maple board-blocked aftermarket necks I've ever seen looked or felt as good. Warmoth would probably be really nice, but for the price, You could buy a Modern player, keep the neck and part it out.
Oh yea, most of the Shechter stuff I've picked up played and sounded really nice, even if I didn't dig the look. One that's always caught My eye was the one that kind of a Ric copy. Always wanted to play one, but never had the opporitunity.

My favorite thing at the Richmond GC and Sam Ash is their flipper cases as I call it, the used pedal sections, it's luck of the draw but you never know when a keeper or flipper pedal is going to be in the bin.

 

[The_Janitor]

Hey dudes, I haven't posted much here, but I do read and follow most of this thread everyday. got a bit of a situation with my band Burrows, wondering if anyone could share some of their experience/info.
We went to the studio and recorded our EP in 2011 www.burrowsmusic.bandcamp.com released it ourselves as a free download. We were very happy with it and still push it. Excellent use of time and money. Since then we've been playing shows, we had a couple line-up changes, and are now aiming to record again.

Our current guitarist has some good experience with recording and the software, we have enough equipment and software to record it ourselves. We want this to sound good, but we also want to learn from it as well. BUT the guitarist and drummer want to record this all live in our rehearsal space; in the same room, mics on the drums and all our amps, and either record the vocals separately OR run a lineout from our PA to the interface and record everything together. Of course there will be some bleed over, but we attempted this lastnight and it sounded pretty good and very little to no bleed over. I don't have much experience recording things myself, other than having recorded 3 albums in studios with a producer at the board. I, personally, think that if we're going to put the time and effort into a recording then we should record in the traditional sense of recording each element separately; I've rationalized everything that this would be more efficient, but my two bandmates are still wanting to record everything live. I can't possibly imagine how a live recording would sound as good or better than a track by track recording. I go with the flow and in this band's almost 4 year existence, we've had zero problems and drama and I consider these guys close friends and it's the most awesome/rewarding/fun band I've ever been in and I'm proud of that and appreciate that, but I just can't understand how/why anyone would do a live recording when there is all the capability and means to do a higherquality studio recording ourselves. I've always been a perfectionist when it comes to recording, especially if it's something that we plan on releasing. I'd rather spend the time writing a few more songs then record, than do this work for a live recording that I can't see sounding as good; For example, "oh dag my distortion was too loud/not loud enough on that part", that means we'd have to do it all over again, rather than just me re-doing that section. Id' be waaaaay more confident with my bass playing doing it all separately, especially since I'm also the lead vocalist.

What should I do? Am I wrong in feeling this way? If so, how can I convince them? what are the pros/cons of each method? it just seems like a waste of time to do a live recording when doing our own studio recording ourselves would be much better quality and take not much more time to do. Thank you for reading. I appreciate any/all responses.

Unless you guys are super tight and everyone can absolutely nail their parts, I don't think recording live would be a good idea.

At the very least you'd want to isolate everything (drums in one room, bass in another, guitar in another room or closet or something). If you do that you'll need a headphone monitor system so everybody can hear everything.

My band tracked everything but vocals separately in 3 or 4 days and we still had to do a ton a fixing and editing after the fact. That kind of thing will be next to impossible if you've got everything bleeding into everything else.

 

[Squanch72]

Looking forward to listening to the Warp Rig ad FM stuff today.

Pulled an impromptu rearrange of the board last night:
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Killer Board!!!

 

[Corey Y]

Hey dudes, I haven't posted much here, but I do read and follow most of this thread everyday. got a bit of a situation with my band Burrows, wondering if anyone could share some of their experience/info.
We went to the studio and recorded our EP in 2011 www.burrowsmusic.bandcamp.com released it ourselves as a free download. We were very happy with it and still push it. Excellent use of time and money. Since then we've been playing shows, we had a couple line-up changes, and are now aiming to record again.

Our current guitarist has some good experience with recording and the software, we have enough equipment and software to record it ourselves. We want this to sound good, but we also want to learn from it as well. BUT the guitarist and drummer want to record this all live in our rehearsal space; in the same room, mics on the drums and all our amps, and either record the vocals separately OR run a lineout from our PA to the interface and record everything together. Of course there will be some bleed over, but we attempted this lastnight and it sounded pretty good and very little to no bleed over. I don't have much experience recording things myself, other than having recorded 3 albums in studios with a producer at the board. I, personally, think that if we're going to put the time and effort into a recording then we should record in the traditional sense of recording each element separately; I've rationalized everything that this would be more efficient, but my two bandmates are still wanting to record everything live. I can't possibly imagine how a live recording would sound as good or better than a track by track recording. I go with the flow and in this band's almost 4 year existence, we've had zero problems and drama and I consider these guys close friends and it's the most awesome/rewarding/fun band I've ever been in and I'm proud of that and appreciate that, but I just can't understand how/why anyone would do a live recording when there is all the capability and means to do a higherquality studio recording ourselves. I've always been a perfectionist when it comes to recording, especially if it's something that we plan on releasing. I'd rather spend the time writing a few more songs then record, than do this work for a live recording that I can't see sounding as good; For example, "oh dag my distortion was too loud/not loud enough on that part", that means we'd have to do it all over again, rather than just me re-doing that section. Id' be waaaaay more confident with my bass playing doing it all separately, especially since I'm also the lead vocalist.

What should I do? Am I wrong in feeling this way? If so, how can I convince them? what are the pros/cons of each method? it just seems like a waste of time to do a live recording when doing our own studio recording ourselves would be much better quality and take not much more time to do. Thank you for reading. I appreciate any/all responses.

I've recorded bands live all in one room, live with everyone playing in one room with the drummer and amps in isolation rooms and the more typical drums and scratch tracks, with everything else overdubbed separately later. There's a lot of options with how you can do things, I don't think it's really a matter of one being better than the other. They're just different choices based on what you want to get out of it and what resources you have. A lot of time when musicians are arguing that overdubs will suck the life out of the performance and make it sound "artificial", it's a hollow complaint. You can make any way of recording sound great or terrible, there are a lot of contributing factors to that.

The downside of recording live is obviously that you have to be very well rehearsed and you have to spend a lot of time on the front end for production. You need a pretty good block of time to put mics on everything, listen, adjust and keep doing that until it sounds pretty much like you want your finished product to be. When you have so much bleed through between tracks and so much of the room in play, it really restricts what you can fine tune in mixing later. It's not MORE work, it's just a trade off for the distribution of work and when you're doing it.

Even if you're recording live, there's still a lot of different ways to approach it. My personal preference is to have the guitar and bass amps in another room and have everyone in with the drums, playing with headphones on. You get that energy of the live performance, but more control over individual instruments. You could also run to DI and reamp later, so long as the amps are bleeding into the drums really loudly. If you have concerns, I'd just voice them. It doesn't have to be a make it or break it proposition, but it's good to sit down and take stock of what will be involved and how much time you realistically need...then realize you'll need more than that.

 

[Timm Grimm]

Do y'all think this is a good trade :

My Peavey t-40 for this highway 1 p bass.
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I offered my Spector ns-20005 bit he isn't interested in active. I'm not really trying to get rid of my t-40 but he's willing to trade. He has a guy going to look at it tonight for a cash but and says if that doesn't happen he'll trade. I feel like I'm getting a good deal out of this so for that reason I'm thinking it's hard to pass up.

For some reason I haven't been able to post thru the "post reply" button, I've only been able to use the quick reply at the bottom. Strange.
Another issue I have with tb is ai can't do a quick search, I always have to go to the advanced search.
This is using my galaxy s3. I really am on am actual comp.

 

[bassboysam]

Hey dudes, I haven't posted much here, but I do read and follow most of this thread everyday. got a bit of a situation with my band Burrows, wondering if anyone could share some of their experience/info.
We went to the studio and recorded our EP in 2011 www.burrowsmusic.bandcamp.com released it ourselves as a free download. We were very happy with it and still push it. Excellent use of time and money. Since then we've been playing shows, we had a couple line-up changes, and are now aiming to record again.

Our current guitarist has some good experience with recording and the software, we have enough equipment and software to record it ourselves. We want this to sound good, but we also want to learn from it as well. BUT the guitarist and drummer want to record this all live in our rehearsal space; in the same room, mics on the drums and all our amps, and either record the vocals separately OR run a lineout from our PA to the interface and record everything together. Of course there will be some bleed over, but we attempted this lastnight and it sounded pretty good and very little to no bleed over. I don't have much experience recording things myself, other than having recorded 3 albums in studios with a producer at the board. I, personally, think that if we're going to put the time and effort into a recording then we should record in the traditional sense of recording each element separately; I've rationalized everything that this would be more efficient, but my two bandmates are still wanting to record everything live. I can't possibly imagine how a live recording would sound as good or better than a track by track recording. I go with the flow and in this band's almost 4 year existence, we've had zero problems and drama and I consider these guys close friends and it's the most awesome/rewarding/fun band I've ever been in and I'm proud of that and appreciate that, but I just can't understand how/why anyone would do a live recording when there is all the capability and means to do a higherquality studio recording ourselves. I've always been a perfectionist when it comes to recording, especially if it's something that we plan on releasing. I'd rather spend the time writing a few more songs then record, than do this work for a live recording that I can't see sounding as good; For example, "oh dag my distortion was too loud/not loud enough on that part", that means we'd have to do it all over again, rather than just me re-doing that section. Id' be waaaaay more confident with my bass playing doing it all separately, especially since I'm also the lead vocalist.

What should I do? Am I wrong in feeling this way? If so, how can I convince them? what are the pros/cons of each method? it just seems like a waste of time to do a live recording when doing our own studio recording ourselves would be much better quality and take not much more time to do. Thank you for reading. I appreciate any/all responses.

Unless you guys are super tight and everyone can absolutely nail their parts, I don't think recording live would be a good idea.

At the very least you'd want to isolate everything (drums in one room, bass in another, guitar in another room or closet or something). If you do that you'll need a headphone monitor system so everybody can hear everything.

My band tracked everything but vocals separately in 3 or 4 days and we still had to do a ton a fixing and editing after the fact. That kind of thing will be next to impossible if you've got everything bleeding into everything else.

I have to disagree here.

We recorded our first 2 albums live off the floor. Everything was in the same tiny room and bleeding into everything else. We then just overdubbed some additional guitar parts to thicken up the sound and add leads. Also, if you are recording each instrument on a sperate track there is no reason why you can't go back an punch in to fix minor mistakes. Yes the better you know the materail the easier it will be. Our recordings were not perfect but they good enough and you have to listen very carefully to hear any issues. It was quick and cheap which allowed us to press vinyl and be able to breakeven.

 

[Corey Y]

Timm, given his asking price it looks like a good trade. Though personally I think a T-40 is a lot less plentiful on the used market and more likely to go up in value over time.

 

[Squanch72]

Do y'all think this is a good trade :

My Peavey t-40 for this highway 1 p bass.
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

I offered my Spector ns-20005 bit he isn't interested in active. I'm not really trying to get rid of my t-40 but he's willing to trade. He has a guy going to look at it tonight for a cash but and says if that doesn't happen he'll trade. I feel like I'm getting a good deal out of this so for that reason I'm thinking it's hard to pass up.

For some reason I haven't been able to post thru the "post reply" button, I've only been able to use the quick reply at the bottom. Strange.
Another issue I have with tb is ai can't do a quick search, I always have to go to the advanced search.
This is using my galaxy s3. I really am on am actual comp.

I had a Highway 1 Jazz Bass, really liked it but hated the finish, it could chip so easily, some people love the trashed guitar look though. I don't think you are losing value wise maybe gaining a little cash on your side, since real nice T40's are in the 400ish range. Depends on how much you dig the T40, lots of cheap ways to get your Pbass fix(Ibby Roadstars and other MIJ copies) if you are just wanting to add that P bass tone to your collection.

 

[Toastfuzz]

I have to disagree here.

Let me stop you right there.... this is TalkBass.

 

[The_Janitor]

I have to disagree here.

We recorded our first 2 albums live off the floor. Everything was in the same tiny room and bleeding into everything else. We then just overdubbed some additional guitar parts to thicken up the sound and add leads. Also, if you are recording each instrument on a sperate track there is no reason why you can't go back an punch in to fix minor mistakes. Yes the better you know the materail the easier it will be. Our recordings were not perfect but they good enough and you have to listen very carefully to hear any issues. It was quick and cheap which allowed us to press vinyl and be able to breakeven.

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

 

[Savnok]

Hey dudes, I haven't posted much here, but I do read and follow most of this thread everyday. got a bit of a situation with my band Burrows, wondering if anyone could share some of their experience/info.
We went to the studio and recorded our EP in 2011 www.burrowsmusic.bandcamp.com released it ourselves as a free download. We were very happy with it and still push it. Excellent use of time and money. Since then we've been playing shows, we had a couple line-up changes, and are now aiming to record again.

Our current guitarist has some good experience with recording and the software, we have enough equipment and software to record it ourselves. We want this to sound good, but we also want to learn from it as well. BUT the guitarist and drummer want to record this all live in our rehearsal space; in the same room, mics on the drums and all our amps, and either record the vocals separately OR run a lineout from our PA to the interface and record everything together. Of course there will be some bleed over, but we attempted this lastnight and it sounded pretty good and very little to no bleed over. I don't have much experience recording things myself, other than having recorded 3 albums in studios with a producer at the board. I, personally, think that if we're going to put the time and effort into a recording then we should record in the traditional sense of recording each element separately; I've rationalized everything that this would be more efficient, but my two bandmates are still wanting to record everything live. I can't possibly imagine how a live recording would sound as good or better than a track by track recording. I go with the flow and in this band's almost 4 year existence, we've had zero problems and drama and I consider these guys close friends and it's the most awesome/rewarding/fun band I've ever been in and I'm proud of that and appreciate that, but I just can't understand how/why anyone would do a live recording when there is all the capability and means to do a higherquality studio recording ourselves. I've always been a perfectionist when it comes to recording, especially if it's something that we plan on releasing. I'd rather spend the time writing a few more songs then record, than do this work for a live recording that I can't see sounding as good; For example, "oh dag my distortion was too loud/not loud enough on that part", that means we'd have to do it all over again, rather than just me re-doing that section. Id' be waaaaay more confident with my bass playing doing it all separately, especially since I'm also the lead vocalist.

What should I do? Am I wrong in feeling this way? If so, how can I convince them? what are the pros/cons of each method? it just seems like a waste of time to do a live recording when doing our own studio recording ourselves would be much better quality and take not much more time to do. Thank you for reading. I appreciate any/all responses.

Being tight before recording live goes without saying but I think the most important factor if you decide to go live is to ensure whoever is recording should have the experience to do it. The DIY attitude has caused my band to try time after time to record without paying other people who have a decade or more of experience to do it. Despite taking the time to learn about how to do it and investing in proper equipment the results have not been very good. Our EP was recorded Live except for the vocals but the amount of time/detail that went into mic placement (particularly the drums) was ridiculous. Because of this our engineer was able to mix everything separately and we ended up with a solid sounding EP/demo.

Can't say that we would do that again for the actual album. There are options of doing it partially live (like tracking drums and bass together and then doing guitars after) that could yield nice results.

 

[beebassdude]

Hi. I'm not Corey, but that's my Sound City 100 below the Sorado. Both of those have almost matching build dates from '68. Oddly enough my YBA-3 is a '68 too, now that I think of it. Hmm... I'm breaking up my pattern with that SVT, haha.


Tony

gotcha, i was hoping it was a 200.

cause i was going to ask to purchase it lol.

 

[bassboysam]

Fair enough, I stand corrected.

don't get me wrong, it's not ideal and the finished product may not be exactly what you wanted but it is doable assuming you are willing to make some compromises.

 

[beebassdude]

I have to disagree here.

We recorded our first 2 albums live off the floor. Everything was in the same tiny room and bleeding into everything else. We then just overdubbed some additional guitar parts to thicken up the sound and add leads. Also, if you are recording each instrument on a sperate track there is no reason why you can't go back an punch in to fix minor mistakes. Yes the better you know the materail the easier it will be. Our recordings were not perfect but they good enough and you have to listen very carefully to hear any issues. It was quick and cheap which allowed us to press vinyl and be able to breakeven.

its tough to do that with all the bleed, and its even harder unless your tempos are rock solid. if theres any stops/starts or gaps in the music its also really hard to guess where to come in.

i think bleed is the biggest issue tho, unless youre close mic'ing everything. i understand it saves money but it limits control of everything.

come to think of it, ive been in bands since i was 16, ive never actually done a live recording in a single band. everything has always been track by track, whether we were in a studio, a basement, or using a 4 track in a friends house.

 

[bassboysam]

its tough to do that with all the bleed, and its even harder unless your tempos are rock solid. if theres any stops/starts or gaps in the music its also really hard to guess where to come in.

i think bleed is the biggest issue tho, unless youre close mic'ing everything. i understand it saves money but it limits control of everything.

come to think of it, ive been in bands since i was 16, ive never actually done a live recording in a single band. everything has always been track by track, whether we were in a studio, a basement, or using a 4 track in a friends house.

ahhh, well when there are stops and stuff like that the key is to always keep the hi-hats going. Then once everything is is recorded you can go back and remove the hats from the gaps, or most of them anyway.

If your drummer can play to a click track there is no reason you can't record with it to control tempo. we just winged it and it shows, but we kind of wanted it that way.