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Double Bass Super cardioid and pattern 8 mics for live performances

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Kristian said:
Does anyone have any experience with these kind of mics? I'm thinking of an update of my rode nt5 and I heard that an ccm41 works really well with double bass. Just want to see what else is our there!
I've tried dpa before and found it to "middy".
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The CCM41 is extremely good. The new AEA KU5A supercardioid ribbon is one to watch. The size is less manageble than the Schoeps, but I ordered one to compliment my cmc41. The AEA just started shipping this week. The DPA is horrible on my orchestra bass.
 
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flatback said:
ohh that looks like a nice mic AEA KU5A supercardioid ribbon...big but ...I wonder if it would hold on an H clamp?
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It should work fine. It is not that big or heavy. I think it is the same as the N22 and N8 but front adressed. In the studio I usually use my AEA A440 (active rca 44bx). This may be a nice middle ground between schoeps 41 and A440
 
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wathaet said:
The CCM41 is extremely good. The new AEA KU5A supercardioid ribbon is one to watch. The size is less manageble than the Schoeps, but I ordered one to compliment my cmc41. The AEA just started shipping this week. The DPA is horrible on my orchestra bass.
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Do you have a recording of the ccm41? I guess it's less colored then the ribbon mic?
I'm looking for mic with a natural sound that I can use for both recording in studio and also for playing live (probably mixed with a piezo). I'm struggling to get a nice bowed sound with a lot of air while playing live.
 
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Kristian said:
Do you have a recording of the ccm41? I guess it's less colored then the ribbon mic?
I'm looking for mic with a natural sound that I can use for both recording in studio and also for playing live (probably mixed with a piezo). I'm struggling to get a nice bowed sound with a lot of air while playing live.
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The Schoeps is a very safe choice. The ccm41 version may be easiest/lightest for a clamp, but the cmc541 and 641 are more rugged. These things take 30 years of very rough handling and just keep going.
 
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Nathan Levine said:
There is also a cable that separates the Schoeps capsule from the CMC6 mic body/amplifier. Ultra light and you can switch out capsules for different applications. This is all pretty spendy (ridiculously so) but Lordy it sounds good.
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Ah...yes, I read something about it but didn't understand exactly how it works. Does the amplifier supply phantom power so there's no need for a preamp? I guess I should go to a schoeps retailer and try everything out. Isn't there a cheaper,less well known brand at the same quality?
 
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Kristian,
you should just get the Schoeps and be happy. I am seriously thinking along those lines. It allows you to have one mic that you can work with in every environment (recording AND live) and so you can become intimately familiar with how it will work with you and your instrument. Sometimes I go into a studio and they throw some fabulous vintage Ribbon on there and the bass sounds utterly baddass but in a way I am not totally familiar with but then I have to record and be at the top of my game while hearing it all through the lens on this different aural experience. With the Schoeps, you play the one mic all the time. At least friends of mine who own them do. Plus it fits nicely on the H clamp. I dont know why I am not interested in the chuck isreals mic but I would go for the Schoeps.
 
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Kristian said:
Ah...yes, I read something about it but didn't understand exactly how it works. Does the amplifier supply phantom power so there's no need for a preamp? I guess I should go to a schoeps retailer and try everything out. Isn't there a cheaper,less well known brand at the same quality?
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No the amplifier needs 48v. All 48v mics have an onboard amplifier. This is not the same as a ”mic preamp”, you need both.

Also, Schoeps has the best service in the business and probably the best reliability.
 
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Kristian said:
Thanks a lot guys!
So, it's the CCM 41 that's my best bet I guess. Will the included capsule work well live or should I try something else? I guess I should get the cable that separates the capsule from the body as well... Better start saving! :(
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The CCM41 is all one piece, small, but capsule is fixed. The cmc641 (cmc6+mk41) is larger, but you can change capsule and use the active cable.

Live it works well, but like any condensermic there is a limit.
 
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Kristian said:
Then it sounds like the cmc6 is the better choice(if the capsules are equally good). Not being able to switch the capsule could be quite frustrating if you suddenly want to. What capsule would you recommend in the studio (both pizz and bow)? I like a "clean" sound, not to bassy or colored.
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The capsule is identical in ccm41 an mk41.
I really like the MK22 capsule as spot for orchestra, soloist and chambermusic. Works great as a studio mic if you are isolated.
 
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flatback said:
Kristian,
you should just get the Schoeps and be happy. I am seriously thinking along those lines. It allows you to have one mic that you can work with in every environment (recording AND live) and so you can become intimately familiar with how it will work with you and your instrument. Sometimes I go into a studio and they throw some fabulous vintage Ribbon on there and the bass sounds utterly baddass but in a way I am not totally familiar with but then I have to record and be at the top of my game while hearing it all through the lens on this different aural experience. With the Schoeps, you play the one mic all the time. At least friends of mine who own them do. Plus it fits nicely on the H clamp. I dont know why I am not interested in the chuck isreals mic but I would go for the Schoeps.
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I too am looking at the Schoeps CMC6 MK41 setup for recording only simply because it's the highest quality mic out there. The Xlson "Chuck Israels" mic is very good and well thought out, but I can't use the H-Clamp on my bass, in fact using it for

the test run of the Xlson actually broke a small curved section of the after edge on my bass off. Nothing serious mind you, but the H-Clamp is totally whacked on my bass.
 
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wathaet said:
The CCM41 is extremely good. The new AEA KU5A supercardioid ribbon is one to watch. The size is less manageble than the Schoeps, but I ordered one to compliment my cmc41. The AEA just started shipping this week. The DPA is horrible on my orchestrause bass.
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I'll wait and see what you think about the aea mic before I make my mind but are there no other competitors? Will you use a ribbon specific preamp or what is your idea? According to aea,any quality preamp will work but their own ribbon preamps will give the best results. That's one more 1.000dollars however... ;)1
 

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