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SWR Goliath II Jr Speaker Replacement Question

Cnivek61

Cnivek61

Jul 17, 2017
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I am considering a Goliath II Jr in which the original 10s were replaced with Eminence Delta-10A speakers. The seller reports "these speakers don't love the low B. Freq response isn't great below 180Hz or so." The original horn and crossover are in place.

My question for the TalkBass community: does anyone know if the specs of the replacement speakers are so different from the originals that low frequency response would suffer? Or is the cab design simply not ideal for low B playing?
 
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I replaced the speakers in that exact same cabinet with a pair of Eminence basslites from 2009. They are neo speakers with aluminum cones - the blue ones.

I don't know if they make speakers like that anymore but this SWR G2 jr 210 has very thick bottom and thicker than my SWR Redhead 1st Gen Eden Speakers 210 and many of my 15's.
 
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That’s her on the bottom. I’ve simply moved the badge to the middle of the grill. Putting that under the redhead adds tons of thick powerful low-end.
 
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I’ve owned one before, original speakers, handled the B ok but not great. It’s the cab, as the 410 handles it just fine. Same speakers. If you’re looking for a 210 that can handle the B and is very loud, the Eden 210XST (not XLT) is of the same tone family and is awesome.

If you just have to have this thing you could do better with replacement speakers for it than what the one you’re looking at has.
 
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Cnivek61 said:
I am considering a Goliath II Jr in which the original 10s were replaced with Eminence Delta-10A speakers. The seller reports "these speakers don't love the low B. Freq response isn't great below 180Hz or so." The original horn and crossover are in place.

My question for the TalkBass community: does anyone know if the specs of the replacement speakers are so different from the originals that low frequency response would suffer? Or is the cab design simply not ideal for low B playing?
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I put eminence legend bp-102 200w tens in my Ampeg cab. I remember when I was doing research I saw several reviews where people said they loaded them in their SWR Goliath cabs and were happy. I play 5 string and we even have a couple songs in drop A tuning and I dig the way they sound. There’s plenty of usable low end and they get pretty loud if I need them to. Big improvement over the Chinese 100w eminence speakers that came in that cab. Tone wise it reminds me a lot more of the Goliath senior cab I used to have than the factory Ampeg cab also.
 
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Cnivek61 said:
I am considering a Goliath II Jr in which the original 10s were replaced with Eminence Delta-10A speakers. The seller reports "these speakers don't love the low B. Freq response isn't great below 180Hz or so." The original horn and crossover are in place.

My question for the TalkBass community: does anyone know if the specs of the replacement speakers are so different from the originals that low frequency response would suffer? Or is the cab design simply not ideal for low B playing?
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I’ve got a Goliath Jr II 2x10. It packs a pair of full range speakers and claims a 40Hz to 12kHz frequency response.

The Goliaths were specifically designed (along with the SM series amps) to be able to handle the (then) new 5-string basses. That was one of their big selling points when I bought mine back in the mists of time. Mine gets down to some very low lows even at fairly low volume settings. And my Spector fiver doesn’t even make that little cab break a sweat.

I’m no speaker expert. But I doubt the Eminence Delta series (which I’m familiar with) is going to sound much like whatever speaker was originally installed in your Goliath.
 
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baxter_x said:
I don't want to be that "expert dude", but the only straight replacement for a Goliath cab is an Eminence CA-10.
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Don’t even know what’s in mine. All I know is it’s factory original, works perfectly, and has sounded great since the day I bought it. And because of that I have no desire to crack it open purely out of idle curiosity to find out what it’s loaded with.
 
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The cheap deltas don't have much xmax and designed to be a mid bass driver. So it's no surprise they don't do low B that well

The Higher quality CA series with cast frames is what SWR used
 
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baxter_x said:
The only replacement for SWR cabs: Eminence CA10.
It's the same as the OEM SWR speakers put in the SWR cabs.
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Well, it's not at all the same as the original PAS drivers SWR used until PAS closed up shop.

The CA10 is very similar to (but not identical to) the Eminence version that Fender used later on.
 
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Thanks to all who replied....I love the response from this community!

From all the comments, I hear a consensus that the CA-10 or possibly the BP-102 would be an upgrade over the currently-installed Delta-10As and comparable replacements for the original PAS speakers.

Does anyone have the wiring diagram and crossover schematic for this cab, please? There are a handful of Goliath diagrams on the Fender site, but not clear which one is specific to the Goliath II Jr.
 

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